If you want to clean up aviation fuel. Awesome- go for it. But why dismiss and undermine all the work of those who believe that aerosols are being sprayed?
Lauren, first of all, I want to emphasize that no one is undermining all the good effort to end the aerosol spraying programs. On the contrary, we are complementing their efforts.
It has become abundantly clear that what is happening in our skies is a combination of factors that need to be addressed: clandestine programs, weather modification initiatives like cloud seeding, and the often-overlooked issue of massive and growing number of commercial aviation flights.
For over 15 years, I believed geoengineering was entirely about clandestine programs. It wasn’t until I decided to have our organization, GenSeven (Save Our Skies) take the perpetrators to court that I realized the situation was far more complex.
Commercial aviation has a much larger impact on dimming the sun than I ever imagined, primarily through persistent contrails and the release of soot, heavy metals, and sulfur.
As I began to incorporate this additional information—examining the statistics, evidence, and studies—it became clear that our Save Our Skies organization needed to adjust its approach.
Specifically, when we discovered that all of the anti-geoengineering legislation would fail to address commercial aviation that is leaving the vast majority of those criss-crosses in the sky, that states lack authority over their airspaces, and that nothing has been updated to protect our skies since the Clean Air Act of 1963 (which essentially dismissed commercial aviation pollution and sky whitening as just the “cost of doing business”), we realized we had to change our legal strategy.
We need the Clean Air Act updated and are prepared to sue the responsible agencies. However, before doing so, we must exhaust all avenues. This begins with submitting a Petition for Rule Making to the EPA, CalEPA, and FAA for failing to update their standards since 1963. This is an essential first step before holding these agencies accountable in court.
You may not think commercial aviation significantly contributes to blocking sunlight and toxifying our atmosphere, but consider this: in 1963, there were approximately 300,000 flights per year. Today, we’re at 45 million flights annually (possibly much higher). If you doubt the health impacts of this, simply Google “aviation-induced mortality.”
While I’m encouraged by anti-geoengineering legislation being passed in various states, these efforts primarily target clandestine programs—what we often call the "needle in the haystack."
We’re addressing the "haystack" itself: tens of millions of commercial flights that have gone essentially unregulated for over six decades.
I’m fortunate to be surrounded by a dedicated team of activists and researchers who have been instrumental in compiling and organizing citations for this critical document. We will be submitting it by the end of this week, marking a historic moment for us.
Excellent reply Reinette. Obviously, commercial airlines and petrochemical suppliers are in bed together, and have *attempted* to cover up commercial airline damage to the atmosphere for over 60 years. The chemical poisons utilized in geoengineering only exacerbate the problem, and the NASA, NOAA, EPA, and anyone paying attention, knows this to be the case...
Grounding ALL aircraft is the obvious solution. But the public wants to fly around like little stuffed gods... Thank you for your efforts.
As Jim says in the fast paced video - he mentioned the fuel was changed in 1997 for convenience - one fuel war zone for all war machines on ground and in the air - so they are all spewing out this shite.
Not to mention the downgraded bunker fuel in ships - that's a big impact... like mini volcanoes spewing amuck!
You delineating what is fact and fiction does undermine the work of those who hold other theories. You are indirectly saying that you have the facts and other theories- specifically that there is a military operation that is manipulating weather, is fiction.
One side of your story says yes there may be a clandestine operation to alter weather but we can’t prove that so- look over here at jet fuel. Which again is a great focus. But it does not explain what real people are seeing real time.
Do you want to go down this rabbit hole? Happy to provide you with the info...
Back up your claims do your research and if you see something that is provably incorrect like Jim Lee always says "prove me wrong" otherwise you have no foundation to your words.
REAL TIME - check Jeff M's post below - he is our meteorologist who teaches the terminology and the apps required to comprehend what's happening in REAL TIME... not a huge learning curve but nonetheless, if you want to substantiate your claims... they buckle up and join the research team.
Also- I paid for the abds exchange app so I could see if the dozens of unmarked jets I see daily are military or what… They DO NOT show up on flight radar.
So I ask- how do you know what is coming out of them?
And have you seen the frequency patterns in the clouds- like the herring bones or the cauliflower clouds?
Your mission to clean up jet fuel is important and noble.
The issue of jets spraying aerosols (I’m sorry I know they teased you out of saying “spray”) and then those aerosols being steered with EMFs to effect weather (and climate) is a a separate issue.
Perhaps you should talk with Jolie Diane about what she knows to be happening due to the extensive primary sourced documents she has collected and published. I’ve heard legislation is being crafted in CA, you would be a great addition to their team.
Addressing jet fuel is not addressing GE. You saying that you are addressing GE by changing jet fuel is false and misleading.
People have verified those chems in chemtrails. They have had samples analyzed. Soil tested.
Why try to shift attention away from the metals that are over crops, ruining the soil and water? This is more important as it’s been going on for years now. Seeding for rain isn’t as harmful.
That aluminum causes dementia. It’s No time to brush this aside.
Actually, the samples I have seen are all unable to connect anything except that aluminum is in them. Since aluminum is on average at 8% in soil the most reasonable explanation is that the aluminum in rain comes from soil dust which is always in the air. Unfortunately none of these tests did a simultaneous analysis for silicon which would have confirmed the presence of soil dust instead of something else.
Also, the ICP-MS test does NOT confirm bioavailable aluminum, it only detects total aluminum most of which is as an oxide or a silicoaluminate clay which are both ubiquitous in soil. This is why legitimate environmental scientists scoff at these tests.
They know that these tests lack rigor and didn't do the due diligence required to rule out ordinary soil as being the source of aluminum.
I pointed this out to Dane Wigington and others well over a decade ago. Rather than correct that error he continued on and wasted the past 10+ years and thousands of $ of people's money on worthless testing only for aluminum, barium, and strontium.
Sorry about all this but check out everything I wrote here, you will find it 100% accurate.-Jay Reynolds
Jay! That was a doozy when you mentioned this during our panel discussion! That changes everything about the aluminum detection. Do you know of anybody who has tested for silicon in their rain samples?
Yes, Reinette. As an experiment I suggested that an online friend named Steve Funk who lives in Mt. Shasta to take rain water samples from the same area where so many others have been taken. This is normal practice to repeat a sample. Have a look:
Steve Funk also repeated the famous Mt. Shasta snow samples you may have seen in a movie. What wasn't disclosed in the movie version was that the snow sample was taken during mid summer when the snow had been exposed to months of dirt blowing onto it.
There was a whole lot done back in 2011 when we started looking at those snow and water aluminum tests. It's really incredible how all of this was swept under the rug now for 14 years and nobody figured it out but our group. This was the sort of research we did before taking our own samples to confirm our suspicions of how wrong those tests were as well as the conclusions which have been put into 3 different movies now. If you repeat stuff long enough it really does become taken as fact, even if its not true.
At least look into Francis Mangels work. His samples when correlated with persistent trailing occurring 3-4 days beforehand, the length of time for the particles to reach the ground, caused figure of aluminium levels in the rain to jump from 50 to 3000 ppb. That's not mineral dust in any universe. Shouldn't just blindly trust Metabunk off the bat without challenging their claims.
Hugh, please read through the link. I meantioned in the metabunk thread above that I spoke to mangels for an hour on the phone. We addressed the Mangels tests and even duplicated his snow and water tests including silicon, which he didn't do. The tests including silicon indicated aluminosilicate dust in Mt. Shasta rain based on a standard crustal enrichment factor of 3:1 Si/Al. It is unlikely that anything released overhead would fall near that location. Typical wind at the altitude people see trails is over 40mph and up to 100mph is not uncommon. Even at 5mph wind anything released overhead after 3 days would be 5mphx72hrs=360 miles away.
Dust can vary from day to day. Sometimes it become very windy just before a rainstorm, and dust blows around. Northern California is a fairly dry place, and subject to long periods of drought and fire.
I did let Francis Mangels and his cohorts know they could test for silicon to rule out dust being the source of aluminum in their samples, but they refused. That's not very scientific and could have helped their cause a great deal by improving their testing at minimal cost, but they wouldn't do it or let others know of the problem. So now there they sit, with every sample being a waste of their time.
But don't believe me, aluminum containing dust has been found in Antarctic ice cores going back to the 1800's.
I’ve read through that link and the only substance I can derive from it is the group animosity towards Mangels, particularly on your part, even Mick West has to rein you in at one point. Any tape script of your conversation with Mangels? I’d love to see it.
The rest is your narrow focus on aluminium alone, ignoring the barium and strontium found, and assuming AL/Si ratios must match the Earth’s crust. Combustion ash has different ratios of Al/Si and contains Ba and Sr. So far, I only have your word that you duplicated those tests, were they rigorous? Did you publish them? When did you sample? On clean days or on trailing days?
Your “wind blows it away” argument is severely flawed. First the atmosphere is not a wind tunnel, it’s turbulent causing particles to disperse vertically and horizontally. Secondly, and most important, these metallic particles act as cloud condensation nuclei and ice nuclei and rain out as droplets. NASA (2013): Jet exhaust particles can seed cirrus clouds, which precipitate within 3–4 days. Mangels was collecting and testing THIS water. I can bet you weren’t as you just denied it was possible. Even in the Sahara dust falls locally as rain.
Yes, dust varies, so what? It’s found as the basis for cirrus clouds as well, the natural variety but metallic particles and combustion ash are at the basis of the artificial variety, which also blanket the earth. The metals are in the jet fuel exhaust as well, documented by Jim. Shouldn’t be a surprise to find it in rainwater!
To misquote the song, all your arguments are is dust in the wind…. “silicon proves it’s dust” is irrelevant when the levels jump from background levels in rainwater after trailing so dramatically. You can’t use arguments pretending I don’t know dust contains aluminium in this fashion when the quantities are so different. In the Antarctic the volcanic dust had background Al levels (0.1–1 ppb)—not 3,000 ppb spikes.
Also, dust would lower the pH of the soil and silicon is inert but Mangels found a pH shift from 5.5 to 6.8. That’s probably due to barium, strontium and calcium.
You also claimed falsely that Mangels didn’t test for Si but he did in fact test for it later as documented in emails and interviews and the results still pointed to non-dust sources. Clifford Carnicom also tested rainwater for Al, Si, Ba, and Sr, and found the Al/Si ratios vary widely lower than crustal averages suggesting non-dust sources. Ba/Sr consistently appeared. So, the onus is on you to test for Br/Sr. Herndon found all the signatures and spherical shapes for coal fly ash which contains all those metals. I admit here that I am uncertain as to whether he had found coal fly ash here or combustion ash from jet fuel but that is irrelevant to this argument, it wasn’t dust.
So, no, the tests were and are certainly not a waste of time.
Your analyses apparently fail to specify *aluminum oxide* as a nano-particulate. The tests you so cavalierly wave off, discovered massive amounts of particulate matter other than soluble aluminum. What scale-sized particulate matter are you discussing? Barium, strontium, and other metallic compounds should not be found in biological tissues. Jus' sayin'
I'm not cavalierly waving anything off. I'm pointing out the way that precipitation tests could have been done to improve them. As it stands, since the tests never tested for silicon, they are all worthless. Over a decade wasted on tests which were not done properly and can never be connected to anything. That is very sad because I pointed the deficiency out to geoengineeringwatch in 2013 and they never relayed that publicly. I believe that wasn't done because testing for silicon would have revealed the source of aluminum was coming from soil dust instead of airplanes. I wanted progress but GEW decided to waste everyone's time.
None of the water tests detected any nano particles. The type of water tests done by chemtrail activists cannot do that.
Barium and strontium are parts of the earth's crust. Brazil nuts are especially high in barium. Strontium is so close to calcium it is always found in bones, and is actually used for acute osteoporosis since it is believed to not be recycled as readily as calcium is. Barium is also widely used as a contrast for CAT scans with the person drinking a large dose with no ill effects.
Paul, I encourage you to ask geoengineeringwatch why they haven't been testing for both silicon and aluminum over the last 12 years to ascertain the silicon/aluminum ratio as other environmental samplers do. The purpose would be to distinguish between ordinary soil dust and an otherwise unknown contaminant. I'd be interested in seeing what they say.
In his backyard rain gauge samples California-based Francis Mangels (forestry expert, professor and master gardener, who worked several years with the USDA Soil Conservation Service as a soil conservationist) regularly found around 1000 ppb (parts per billion) aluminium and 8 ppb Barium.
The normal concentration of aluminium in the rain should be from 0 – 0.5 ppb. Barium should not be there in any amount according to Mangels. This is 2020 times the normal levels of aluminium. The 2,000× Al spike is impossible from natural dust alone.
Hello Huge Boone. Yes. I've read papers published by Francis Mangles, and his analyses agree with many other soil and water samples taken in various locations within the continental US. Mr. Reynolds is attempting to establish that eating, drinking, and bathing in chemical soup is good practice.
Perhaps add this to your list of analyses: McCampbell Analytical Inc. Testing services. >>> "Located in the San Francisco Bay Area, McCampbell Analytical, Inc. (MAI) offers a full range of analytical testing services for drinking water, waste water, storm water, as well as metals testing, soil testing, volatile organic compounds (VOC's) testing, hazardous waste, industrial materials and food analysis for a wide variety of chemical compounds including organic, inorganic and metallic contaminants."
I have to concur with Jay on this, Paul. It's imperative that silicon be tested as well to rule out what can be found in every day soil. THIS was a huge wake up for me. ALL of those tests that we recently paid for through SOS? They are useless because we didn't test the silicon. Damn shame.
There is no heavy industry in the Mt. Shasta area. These samples when correlated with persistent trailing occurring 3-4 days beforehand, the length of time for the particles to reach the ground, the figure jumped from 50 to 3000 ppb.
It is important to recognize that aluminium does indeed occur in soils and that the amount of aluminium deposited via aircraft is relatively small in comparison. However, it is more important to note that aluminium should not be occurring in rainwater at levels above the range 0 – 0.5 ppb.
Karl, here is documented evidence that finding aluminum in rain water is not unusual because aluminum makes up average 8% of all soil dust, and soil dust is always in the air when it rains. Historical tests show this.
Yes, aluminum is very reactive and is almost always found as a compound with either oxygen or silicon as oxide or aluminosilicates. The most common aluminosilicate containing minerals in soils are feldspar and clays. So, when clay dust is in the air, which it almost always is, and it rains, the rain washes out the clay dust and into the rain sample. The analysis used for rain water (ICP-MS) doesn't detect metallic aluminum, it detects TOTAL aluminum atoms regardless of it it was bound or not. It therefore doesn't give you any idea whether the aluminum was bound or bioavailable, as frequently claimed. I urge you to contact any atmospheric, geological, or rainwater specialist and assure that they will all agree with what I just said.
Here is a study of Arctic rainwater at Frobisher Bay NWT from 1984. They detected aluminum at about the same rate from rainwater as samples being shown by chemtrails interested persons. They discuss crustal enrichment.
Got it Jay, so the aluminum in the clay blowing in the wind is killing soil microbiome decimating our insect populations, and destroying our life giving ozone. None of this has to do with the fact it is being verifiably sprayed from jet aircraft.
Probably more to do with the big agriculture approach versus the small regenerative farmer approach that is destroying the lifeforce in our soils, 'spraying' big ag herbicides also is destroying the natural microbiome.
Spraying isn't something done up high in the sky, it's something done to control plants and create monoculture or gmo.
Lines in the sky are contrails, they may be filled with chemicals but if they are white - those are condensed plane exhausts. (Yes full of pollution and not healthy for the atmosphere).
To deal with this, Jim Lee will repeatedly say is to deal with those in charge of making the fuel and that is NATO.
No 'state' has any say over international flying regulations.
However the more of them that do this ban, the more the Fed's will have to listen... but, hey, let's see if RFK and Trump pull that trump card on this!
I am a small farmer and have been farming much of my life. My soil microbiome is fine. While some insects may have their ups and downs a sentinel species the Monarch disputes the decimation by increasing 99% over last year. I find this good news!
Seeding for rain IS a major problem. Silver Iodide is highly toxic to aquatic species - contrary to deniers waving magic wands at the problem. Seeding for rain is by definition, geoengineering.
Hello Reinette. Perhaps you could add this Abstract to your library of evidence. There were numerous such Abstracts and analyses a decade ago, yet most have been scrubbed from internet access. In any case:
Potential risk of acute toxicity induced by AgI cloud seeding on soil and freshwater biota >>> Published in Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety
Partial excerpt: Abstract: “Silver iodide is one of the most common nucleating materials used in cloud seeding. Previous cloud seeding studies have concluded that AgI is not practically bioavailable in the environment but instead remains in soils and sediments such that the free Ag amounts are likely too low to induce a toxicological effect. However, none of these studies has considered the continued use of this practice on the same geographical areas and thus the potential cumulative effect of environmental AgI.” [End quote]
It is not good for living things. However....Aluminum is the 2nd most abundant metallic element in the Earth's crust after silicon. That needs to be kept in mind when doing soil samples. There is the Sahara dust issue. It moves far and wide and will be in the rainwater. A plume is currently headed westward along the equator and will be covering northern South America and also Portugal and Spain in the next few days. https://earth.nullschool.net/#2025/04/09/1100Z/particulates/surface/level/overlay=duexttau/orthographic=-49.25,15.01,448 The controls are in the lower left corner next to 'Earth'.
It isn't that simple to pin aluminum found in rainwater strictly on jet traffic, and harder to even find ONE aircraft that is 'spraying'.
You're grasping at straws, Jeff. People are testing their crops and the rainwater and finding high amounts of aluminum.
Cloud seeding flares are not only comprised of silver iodide, but other metals that act as combustion agents to disperse the silver. Mostly aluminum and zinc are used in flares (and higher amounts than the silver, itself). The UAE uses titanium dioxide nanoparticles, and experiments are being done in the U.S. with titanium dn as well.
Then you have the tracers used to track seeding efforts. Aluminum or zinc-coated glass fibers. It's not "just silver" and aluminum is being dumped into the air. You're working really hard to disprove our findings either for your own peace of mind or...you're gaslighting. I think you're gaslighting.
Heh, heh... Methinks Jeff M is gaslighting for petrochemical cartels and the airline industry... Here's another lame article positing the obvious. >>> Bomb Cyclones and Atmospheric Rivers: Is Someone Messing with the Weather? >>> By F. William Engdahl >>> Global Research, April 09, 2025 >>> https://www.globalresearch.ca/bomb-cyclones-atmospheric-rivers-someone-messing-weather/5804879
I have no credential, but have read numerous Science Direct, Elsevier, Journal of Meteorological Research - etc who's Abstracts and white papers have addressed climate issues and potential weather control strategy.
I've also read numerous pages of governmental and military record, approving of and funding weather modification exercises. Obviously, these "experiments" have been ongoing for well over 70 years.
The flares are 60% to 85% silver iodide. "Pyrotechnic cloud seeding composition US4096005A"
Abstract
A pyrotechnic cloud seeding composition comprising from about 60 to about 85 weight percent silver iodate, from about 10 to about 40 weight percent of a fuel from the class consisting of aluminium and magnesium, from about 5 to about 15 weight percent binder, and from about 0.1 to about 10 percent halogenated organic compound having a melting point of at least about 50° C. One illustrative compound is hexachlorobenzene.
Being a science minded person I puzzled over how to prove how much junk would fall and how far away it would fall. It would depend on the winds at flight level where they would be at the required -5 to -10 deg C. That's usually between 2 and 3 miles up where they have to be. A 30 knot wind will disperse it in a more concentrated area than a 50 knot wind, and it is not uncommon to have even 60 knots. I know because I spent tens of hours investigating where they would be, and forecasted both time of show and altitude many times within an hour.
I did some math making some reasonable assumptions. It's math based on the month of November invoice by your WMI aircraft 522JP that I found and spent time watching to nail them on the weather. 314 flares @ 20 grams of seeding materials on a 30 mile north south loop length assuming 30-50 knot winds scatters that 6280 grams over maybe 1000 square miles. (30 miles by 30 miles is 900 sq miles....but lets just say for simple math we use 1000 sq miles) That's around 6 grams minimum per square mile of silver iodide, and at most 4 grams of pyro elements. 28 grams per oz. So that is one month. Do it for 6 months, a seeding season. 6 grams silver iodide x 6 months = 36 grams......36/28= 1.3 oz per square mile. That's if the snow didn't blow further away.
Cloud seeding does pollute. It would take a long study to collect the downwind fallout of a seeding operation in a grid pattern. That's what I suggested you do using the Cocorahs network of rain measurement volunteers. It takes time and effort that you have to go thru. That's called science. Experiments. Measured data.
Gaslighting? Funny. I'm a science and data guy. Where are your calculations on where and when it falls Kat?
CORRECTION...that was a paper with some other flare. This is what WMI used. "The pyrotechnic composition consists of (~70%) Ammonium Perchlorate, Zinc powder (non pyrophoric), Aluminium powder (non pyrophoric), and an organic binder. The remainder (~30%) consists of Silver Iodide, Copper Iodide, and Ammonium Iodide."
So Zinc, Aluminum, and some Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Chlorine, Oxygen....
Ammonium perchlorate decomposes violently upon strong heating and may even explode under the right conditions.
4 NH4ClO4 → 2 N2 + 5 O2 + 6 H2O + 4 HCl'
Bottom line......my calculated grams/square mile are a bit off. The aluminum is 2 or 3 oz per square mile. Not going to go thru the numbers, as it is still infinitesimal. Gotta say, this math work makes me think cloud seeding is not as bad as I thought it was. But I'm still against it. Ban it.
Elle, if you believe this, it means you have surrendered your own agency. Those who idolize the "iconic" figures in geoengineering without digging deeper and conducting thorough research are doing a great disservice to humanity.
Many of us have had to "unlearn" what we initially believed to be true in geoengineering in order to reach a place where we could be truly effective. I encourage you to let go of all your preconceived notions and start fresh.
You really might want to do some research, if you feel so much needs to be done... help us by learning first of all... start researching... start learning the basics in terminology and the differences between geoengineering and herbicide spraying also learn how to use a few apps to help you discern what the heck is happening right above and below you..,
Or remain an armchair director - sit back and eat the shite being served... right now, we need people to develop some courage and bring some reason behind their words of approach to the right authorities in the right jurisdictions...
There are all kinds of roles that people can do if your not a action taker... there are always more behind the scene roles...
Because of Kat accosting a cloud seeding pilot and accusing him of geoengineering, the clouds seeding company in question has decided to fly with their transponders turned off, so you cannot check their flights and harass their pilots at the airport. Cloud seeding is legal, I'm not sure about harassment of someone who is doing their job. So score one against transparency.
The Goebelists are so predictable. No imagination. Just the same old repetitive tactics over and over. Rinse and repeat. Reset and repeat. War after war and repeat. Could you imagine how quickly those spraying operations would stop if even a handful of people had RPGs ready to go every time one of those devils flew over and dropped their loads. As the Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan discovered, when given the proper tools, the war was over in days rather than dragging on for years.
No problem, I can imagine stopping them, but one has to go prepared with knowledge of when, where and what before doing so - that isn't so easy because weather impacts the ability for things to happen so you need to have the free time to be a spy almost, track specific airplanes, but honestly today, the trackable herbicide sprayers are all handing in their flight plans and projected spray zones and are regulated, its the ones that are not doing these 'contractual' herbicide sprays that are the really hard ones to find... the key here relates to Jim saying we need more people doing real chasing of specific things - maybe focus on what we can gather info on and make a tracking plan???
Otherwise, join the 99% who are all talk and no action.
That being said, there are 'things' in the sprays that we can address, even if we don't 'catch' the pilot' which is equivalent to shooting the messenger to be honest...
finding out what is actually being sprayed can be challenging in itself.
Not sure about NM but in BC Canada, we have a BTK and serious 'hidden' labeled as 'propriety ingredients' - that are serious health risks.
Then there are the spray times and notifications that aren't appropriately given that may cause more people and animals to be in the path of the harmful spray as a result.
Been out in the BC mountains multiple times during the summer months (Whiteswan, Pedley Pass, Earl Grey, Dog Lake, etc.) and the amount of chemtrail spraying is brutal. I've seen the planes drop their loads such that they block out the sun, create fake rain events (where the skies go from sunny to completely grey in a couple of hours followed by rain). Even seen the grey trails in the sky that glow at night from all the aluminum and other metals that reflect light. The problem is just as bad in Ontario and New Brunswick where large swaths of forests are regularly sprayed with glyphosates to kill off the unwanted trees. Not sure about your area but I've also noticed a massive reduction in the mosquito population the last few years. Not that I'm complaining because it sure is nice to be outside without getting attacked by the voracious hordes but at the same time it has destroyed a critical food source for both birds and fish. Great research. One more nail in their coffin.
I do have family in Invermere ... there is a small airport in Athalmere...
Chemtrail spraying??? I believe you really want to perhaps say either 'herbicide spraying' or 'plane exhaust' but it's just a technological language that puts you in the conspiracy theorist camp or the researcher camp ~
"Drop their loads"?
Sometimes in an emergency a plane will dump fuel, or fire retardant which is also very toxic... but my point is, if we don't even educate ourselves to the terminology, we will simply become another mosquito spreading 'conspiracy mumbojumbo'.
'Creating fake rain events' - 'cloud seeding' you mean?
That's definitely also what they do also in those Rocky Mtns and Purcell Mtns - snow making that is... that's a weather modification industry of its own... but to be able to determine weather or rain more precisely is fake, means you would have already tracked the plane with a tail number and perhaps even looked up the registration for the cloud seeding and then actually caught the activity in its tracks... otherwise... how would you know it was "fake rain"?
Something I've learned, please look it up, cirrus homogenitus... this is what is called 'accidental geoengineering' it is when the planes fly at altitude and create a long lasting contrail that remains in the sky eventually spreading and turns into a manmade cirrus cloud (cirrus homogenitus).
You are right, these clouds wouldn't be there if it were not for those planes in the sky, especially when they fly at altitudes that create contrails, when it could be possible to avoid making them (that's the accidentally on purpose part).
Aluminum - well there are lots of nasty chemicals in the JP8 fuel used by airplanes, but yes sky brightening is in fact another modality of geoengineering that is referred to as Saturated Aerosol Injection or SAI which is a higher altitude - in the stratosphere (so above the cloud heights) and is the cause for our white skies - haze.
SAI is a form of Solar Radiation Management and is truly a weather modification technique to reflect sunlight back out into space. There are many other methods to SRM than just SAI, but the concept is reflecting the sun. (When we reach our solar minimum cycle we can only hope they've stopped mucking around with this concept for concerns of another ice age occurrence.)
Yes the herbicide sprays - are nasty indeed!
The first time I noticed this was in Nakusp on July 1st 2020 for a concert and 'Canada Day' celebrations - there wasn't a single mosquito, or moth or bird in the sky in the area...
Yes this concerns me a great deal, but this is not the correct jurisdiction for discussing. Geoengineering is not herbicide spraying - that is another can of wigglers entirely.
Ministry of Forests is where you need to make reports to for various things glyphosate spraying or btk which is just as awful tbh...
In the bill the NM legislature wanted to pass in 2024 to legitimize and tax cloud seeding, there were no restrictions on the kinds of toxins cloud seeders could spray.
Also, this is the kind of Kat Attack that many of those after readership than reality are doing - to ramp up the fear - in At Most Fearic conditions, we lose our creativity and solution solving abilities.
Everyone is pointing up, and forgetting that the red herring up there not the only concern in the full spectrum of geoengineering, weather modification and Space Modifications and I'd like to add, I am quite concerned with the spider web of satellites, space junk and the interweb of connectivity that doesn't support most things on earth on the resonance scale with emf's etc. This is a technology that needs to be put in check imho as well.
This strikes me as a limited hand out. Now that people are recognizing that the stripes in the sky are not contrails, the concept of limited contracts is introduced. When Dane Wigington accepts this theory I will also. Until then not so much.
Every stripe you see is a contrail. And a chemtrail. And everything you don't see is a chemtrail. It's way worse than you think. And the cirrus clouds are just that. Most are natural.
I believe you have that backwards, contrails you cannot see, because airplane engines have improved their machine exhaust over the years. Chemtrails are the visible ones, they expand and cause cloud cover and deploy other conditions, depending upon the chemicals emitted: strontium, barium, graphene, hydrogen dioxide, surfactants, polymers, aluminum.
Sorry to tell you that jet engines haven't changed that much. They still burn hydrocarbon fuel which gets about half it's power from burning carbon and half from hydrogen. When the carbon combines with oxygen in burning, it creates C+O=CO2. When the hydrogen burns with oxygen it creates H+O=H2O(water).
The water formed is not avoidable no matter the design of the engine, it is exhausted as a hot vapor, it powers the plane, makes it move. The ratio of water produced is also unavaoidable and has always been known to be about 1.3 pounds per pound of fuel burned.
So, a 747 burns about 10 tons of fuel per hour and produces 10x1.3= 13 tons of water per hour. When that water freezes that is what initially forms the contrails. However, when the plane is flying in Ice Supersaturated air, the water from exhaust attracts water from that air and adds to the ice from the plane at 1:10,000 times. Each crystal of ice from the exhaust can grow by 10,000 times by absorbing water which was already there. This creates the whole of a persistent contrail which can expand and cause cloud cover. There really is nothing else needed. We know this because pure hydrogen powered jet engines create contrails simply from water alone, no metals, no soot, no chemicals at all. To confirm the 1:10,000 figure see Knollenberg, 1972, Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
Whoever tells you that modern High Bypass Turbofan engines hasn't addressed that fuel burned produces water, which tells you they are not telling you the whole story, and you need to ask why.
I guess you do not fly often enough to see sometimes 2 airplanes on the same height, one is leaving the white, sometimes gray streak at all times, and the other does NOT, at all... To see it ONE TIME would be enough to grasp what is going on.
There is a 1000 ft minimum separation between two planes flying in the same general airspace, and often planes will keep much farther apart than the minimum. That can be enough separation for humidity to be completely different. I have seen plenty of planes do this, and humidity can be patchy as seen anytime you look at clouds. There is often a space between individual clouds, correct? This is a visual example of how humidity can differ from place to place in the sky. In the same way there can be invisible differences from place to place hroizontally and vertically.
you have missing parts in your 2 equations... Given the SPEED, the TEMPERATURE AND PRESSURE of the hot gases leaving the engine and the outside extremely low air pressure there can't be much time for a formation of huge amount of water crystals 'hanging' in the huge volume of low pressure for a long time... Exactly that what any pilot will be able to tell you. Ask the Pilots.. Since the very same combustion principle does apply to all cars actually, just with different engines, in different pressure/speed conditions, why don't we see the contrails behind every car, lingering for hours...?
There is another huge issue with the ILLEGAL materials sprayed at ROOM temperature, from different valve systems, not from exhaust... A combustion of chemicals/polymers/etc. in the engine at hundreds of degrees, would oxydize those materials, the white polymers frequently hanging on all bushes, tress, etc. after heavy sprayings, absolutely do NOT look like gone through heavy combustion...
What is needed is what Dane is saying, a whistleblower protection for all scientists who are NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK about this topic.
We have an IDENTICAL situation with covid crimes, and ALL the MD's who would never tell their patients, that they got genetically modified after the covid jabs! For the sake of false peace, with everyone doing anything, the top criminals have the LAST portion of the final weapon in their hands, this time for everyone a MUST: SELF-emplifying mod mRNA...
mejbcart, your argument is "there can't be enough time" for crystals to form.
However, in jet engine exhaust contrails there is a gap between engines and the visible contrail which is indicative of invisible water vapor(yes, water vapor is invisible), and the condensation and crystallization of the visible trail.
There are numerous pilots of ordinary commercial planes who show this up close from their own planes flying. There are millions of "chemtrails" videos and still photos showing this gap. That represents "enough time" for the water exhaust crystals to form. Here you go, here are many examples of contrails forming up close from High Bypass Turbofan engines which prominent "chemtrails" promoters are telling you cannot happen, yet they do.
So far as whistleblowers, here in USA there are already whistleblower protections, and they come out frequently. I don't understand why you think there isn't protection, when clearly it is there. If you think you have such a person, bring them on. Here is info on that from Congress:
thank you for the response to one of my questions. Yes, there is this gap, clearly visible on many planes flying in the favorable conditions of forming those, but I was speaking about: "can't be much time for a formation of HUGE amount of water crystals"...
Thank you for the link to the whistleblower protection page, BUT there you can read exactly that, what Dane was talking about, NOAA scientists are EXCLUDED from that protection, quote:
Some executive branch employees are excluded from
the WPA’s protections, including (but not limited to):
■ Political appointees (e.g., federal inspectors
general)
■ Uniformed military service members
■ Noncareer Senior Executive Service employees
■ Employees of the 18 intelligence community
“elements” and the FBI
■ Members of the U.S. Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps
■ Officers of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Association (NOAA) Commissioned Corps
That link is actually pointing to something very interesting:
■ Employees of the U.S. Postal Service
?????
WHy on earth a simple postal worker can't describe the way he/she distributes people's letters??? Oh, maybe because they have to dump certain mails with votes, for example????
Well, that 'protection list' is quite a nice proof of location of fraud!
Jeanine, Jeff is a meteorologist. He has taught us to read the skies for well over a year so we would be able to differentiate between persistent contrails produced by commercial aviation vs possible clandesite programs. It's a fabulous tool to better learn what is really going on over our heads. We have been teaching hundreds of people this. Feel free to join us the 2nd Tuesday or 4th Wednesday of the month, 6pm Pacific, and you'll learn this plus much more. Just scroll down the landing page the day of the webinare and you will see the new link on the right side of the page: SaveOurSkies.org
Jeannine I hope you can find some time to watch or at least listen to the webinar. People like Jim and Reinette used to think what you are saying here, but have since learned a lot and have changed their tune. Jay's presentation about the history of the chemtrail story is also enlightening. Learning new stuff really is more fun than fighting to stay in the dark. Join us!!
So true. Just two years ago, I was exactly where you are now, Jeannine and Tami. However, once I started working on a legal case and preparing it for court, all the beliefs I once held as truths completely unraveled. That’s how I arrived at the understanding we share today. What you currently believe would never hold up in a court of law.
Do you know what a Skew T is? A radiosonde? Have you had one single hour of weather training? I did weather for a job for 8 years. You don't need weather training that takes more than an hour or 2 at most to assess whether a contrail belongs there or not.
The really persistent ones likely have way more humidity in the ambient air which is called supersaturation, where relative humidity is over 100%. That is the condition where the contrail ice crystals will grow. If the humidity is less, the contrail ice crystals will go back to invisible vapor and the contrail will disappear, that is called sublimation. It can be a give-and take situation.
all this here reminds me of countless 9/11 truthers, with none of them being right, but one, in case of 9/11, Prof. Judy Wood.... Meaning these countless 'truthers' with part truths are basically there to distract, steal time and attention and delaying others from getting own conclusions.
Not correct Kat. The conditions were natural, and forecasted. The human part is fishy as heck....the fire crews, the water. They™ could have easily piggybacked their plan to use the dry conditions and desire for a brand new 15 minute city with a couple of strategically placed fires set by anyone. Once set and going without fire crews and water....no stopping it.
You never did avail yourself of my standing offer to teach you weather. That was an open offer and you never once availed your self of it. Slink away.
Send anyone you can. I'll teach them how weather works. Anyone that is interested can ask anything and I'll take the time to spell it out. That's anything about cloud seeding, SAI, or c-trails. Well, it may have to include the fundamentals to get there. But I'm willing to teach anyone that is interested, whatever it takes. You had that offer for a time.
thomas james taylor - I agree with you. Jim Lee is sent to muddy the waters (skies). Here's a paper from 1989. Experimental design of the 1984 ASCOT field study*
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During September and October of 1984 the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Studies in Complex Terrain program conducted an intensive field study in the Brush Creek Valley of western Colorado. The overall objective of the study was to enhance the understanding of pollutant transport and diffusion associated with valley flows. Data collections were designed to investigate nocturnal and morning transition wind, turbulence, and temperature fields in the valley, in its tributaries, and on its side-slopes, and how these are affected by the free stream conditions above the valley. The release and sampling of atmospheric tracers were used to study transport and diffusion. The experimental design of this study is presented.
Hmmm, I don't think you understand. Jim and others are not saying these things aren't happening. We simply can't ignore the detrimental effects of an ever increasing commercial aviation industry.
Hmmm... I don't understand how relatively low air traffic flow over rural New Mexico results in previously unseen contrails that persist for hours. They must plan the flights to coincide with clear days so that the contrails will be flown in erratic patterns to obscure the sun. I have looked at Flight27 and other sources to see many of the planes are "na" which means either military or "cloud seeders". You need clouds in order to seed them and New Mexico naturally can go for months without clouds. So, by golly, they take a blue sky, start flying relentlessly and pretty soon there are clouds. Even before I got caught up in geoengineering, I questioned how much pollution was caused by jets. It's amazing how many more "contrails" there are in my area since 2021. Are there data for an exponential increase in flights since 2021? Science.
Expect the 'chem' pilots again tomorrow by noon in your state. The cloud band is moving in from the west. They always go hand in hand (Nothing is always.) Ventusky, 'high clouds' parameter selected. It will tell you when cirrus clouds are coming. No persistent contrails if no persistent high clouds. That is the way it works.
I briefly looked at satellite yesterday and saw the cirrus clouds coming into the northern part of the state. No idea where you are. Ya, they probably cancelled all of them.
Look at flightradar24. The places where the moisture comes from the equator have few if any flights. The source of the water is the oceans. It may look like a lot of flights going on the jet routes, but those aircraft are way way way oversized relative to the pin pricks they really are.
you are saying yourself, these are manmade clouds where they coming from? I'm confused here...
yes there are many methods to geoengineering, not just planes, but, volume of traffic in the highways in the sky aka sky ways do tend to emit an awful lot of emissions and puke out toxins...
you sound defensive of planes being blamed, this wasn't a problem pre-1997, well volume of flights was way lower then, but also the fuel quality was MUCH better so it's a DOABLE task, not sure what your beef is exactly? Do you work in the airline industry and are worried for your job?
Hello suannee. Sorry to see you getting beat up here. There are a lot of conflicted persons making comment... That said:
I had a friend who lived in New Mexico years ago, and had noticed the sky getting more and more covered in unnatural "clouds". She was the first person to introduce me to the term "Chemtrail". We're talkin' 2002-2003. My research since then confirmed that military operations over New Mexico have been taking place since the early 1990's, (possibly before) and have only escalated. Thank you for commenting.
You know that Jim always says after every presentation, 'if you can prove me wrong I want to be the first to know' so be honorable, go to Jim with your proofs or research so that he can and you both can gain a better outcome to the findings.
suannee I'm not sure how your 1989 paper shows that Jim Lee was sent anywhere to do anything.... Very confusing argument you are putting forward there.
I put that paper in so Jeff M could read it. It has nothing to do with Jim Lee. It has to do with the fact that the Atmospheric Scientists were studying pollutant transport and injecting atmospheric tracers in 1984. A lot of work has been done in that area for decades. To put the onus on commercial jets is short-sighted. I don't say that jet fuel has not been contaminated to spew toxins. I don't know. But I am pretty sure that there are a lot more sources than commercial jets. A LOT MORE.
It gets confusing when responses are not directly under the comments.
Susanee, I looked up that study and found the used Sulfur Hexaflouride SF6 gas a s the tracer. They chose that because it is easily detected and at low concentration in the atmosphere. They were studying how smokestack pollution drifts in the wind. You can read more about it here:
I only cited it as an example of atmospheric studies going on in 1984. It was a sort of low-level prelude type study. But, I don't feel like defending any positions anymore.
Dane is very debunkable and well he definitely does his part to ramp up the AT MOST FEAR agenda... so go for it, we all have our need to align with Fear or Love... it's a choice what we feed.
Exactly. I was a big fan of his until I had to confirm everything he was saying. It fell apart and blew in the wind. It was then I had to start all over and that's when everything changed.
Nobody, including DW, can prove in court the claims he has been falsely perpetuating for years.
Where do cirrus clouds come from? Jets assist in creating them.
So this may sound technical, but it isn't. But hardly anyone was trained in weather in school, so I'll try to keep it understandable. There's a video at the end for those that like videos.
A very small percentage of cirrus comes from c-trails. On major jet routes whether you see a c-trail or not the jets are all injecting moisture into the air. Water vapor is a byproduct of burning kerosene.
But where do the majority of clouds come from? You need to look over the oceans to find out where cirrus clouds come from. Start at the equator. The ocean is the major water source.
The birth of a low pressure center......and strengthening, follows this script.
In the Pacific in the winter, cold air drops down from China towards Korea and Japan. That air mass is dry cold polar continental air. The fronts in the northern hemisphere are getting weaker because the cold air isn't so cold anymore, and it is the difference in temperatures that drives the strength of weather systems. The weak cold front reaches the Sea of Japan where the water temperature is in the 40s. It continues eastward and reaches the warmer water of the northward moving Kuroshio Current. That is the first moisture injection due to cold air touching warmer water near 60 deg F today. Conduction is the transfer mechanism. The low pressure center deepens (strengthens), increasing the circulation of winds, which then begin to pull more air from the south northward in front of the low pressure center. You can watch the sequence on Ventusky, an app that displays what weather models show us in the depiction of past, current, and future weather. On the 6th of April the low is in the Sea of Japan. Change the date to the 6th to see it. And the frontal bands are ahead of it to the east and extending south. https://www.ventusky.com/?p=44.7;138.7;4&l=rain-3h&t=20250406/1800
And then as that low pressure center and associated cold front moves east with the jet stream. It will frequently pick up moisture from extrusions of moisture from the equator northward. That shows here in the satellite image. The same thing happens in the Atlantic. Just a week ago there was another injection point of warm equatorial moisture west of Hawaii. You can change the dates by clicking the 'archive' checkbox to change dates.
This shows a view using the Himawari-9 satellite called 'Blended TPW' Total Precipitable Water. The legend below the pic shows the amounts in millimeters and inches. (1 "=25.4 mm). You'll see the red colored very moist equatorial air being pulled up into the low pressure center. To make a long story short, that moisture gets pushed upwards by the lifting action of cold fronts, warm fronts, and convergence at the low pressure center. Any aircraft flying through that moist area adds to the moisture. So if the air was too dry/warm for a c-trail, it may now have enough moisture. The temperature-dew point spread (dewpoint depression) narrows to less than 5 degrees C. A linear cloud forms when that happens. A CONTRAIL It depends where the aircraft is relative to a cirrus cloud, IF there is a cirrus cloud.
Change the satellite to GOES West and you can see what happens in the eastern Pacific. Change the satellite to any of the other choices to see Europe or the Persian Gulf region. Both hemispheres are visible. Zoom and move with cursor to see the world as it is now and a while into the past.
Most clouds are formed over the oceans. And every jet penetration into or near that cloud may result in a contrail. Depends on the atmospheric conditions. You need, for a reliable persistent contrail...and you need either radiosonde data or the Windy Contrail Finder plugin to assess whether that contrail should be there.
1. -45 deg C
2. 60%+ RH (water)
3. Dewpoint depression <4. The closer to zero the more persistent.
I do agree with Reinette that nobody is undermining anyone who is taking action to end either aerosol spraying, herbicide/adulticide spraying you name it. I am all for it. I am not convinced much about legal action or legislation b/c the system is so corrupt. I am not dissing anyone but I don't believe in it.
Cloud seeding is NOT chemtrails. It is weather modification. These videos that went viral are misleading and incorrect. As well as they made it impossible for the anti-geoengineering activists to track them. If anyone here still thinks that actions like this are helpful well then not sure where your head is.
Ignoring weather, atmospheric conditions and nature in the context of geoengineering however is simply ignorant. Weather didn't stop from happening just b/c the jets burn dirty fuel and contribute to more cirrus cloud formation.
The jet fuel has significantly changed in the late 1990 but since then do not expect a quick or instant change b/c everything in aviation takes a significant amount of time and money to get tested and approved. Harassing the pilots for flying won't do the trick either. Go to the source and attack the geoengineers and their projects or the airline industry if you have the funds to do that.
Also, Jim Lee is THE most educated or informed if you will activist in geoengineering. His work makes sense, he's got a solution unlike certain individuals as well as he teaches others. I am not shy to say that I fully support him and the team around him which I am proud to be part of. Oh and btw he DOES NOT work for either the CIA or the UN. This is just ridiculous and simply unsubstantiated.
Here in Canada we are fortunate enough that the overhead aviation is far less dens that in the States. But still enough to take action. Geoengineering is a worldwide concern and we can only win with an international strong team. That's my 2 cents.
I whole heartedly disagree. He's a misdirection agent who has worked very hard to undermine anyone making an impact in awareness regarding all forms of weather modification/manipulation/warfare. I'm guessing this is Bettina, one of Jim's devoted sidekicks? :) Wow. You're all working overtime to gaslight.
And I never mislead anyone about my pilot confrontation. My research and my actions have always been very clear on my Bitchute and Substack. I hope to encourage more people to observe and document and take action where they can.
“I know that secret government programs have existed—and probably do today,” Lee said....
Probably??? this fits quite well into the group thinking of all those who deny genetic manipulations of the entire humanity. welcome controlled opposition, the other side of the criminal coin. Anyone who believes this here, PLEASE go near an airport, with lets say ~500 flights a day and OBSERVE. If you believe its all commercial pollution than something is wrong with your eyes and brain.
I hope that you can find the time to listen to the webinar, especially Jay Reynolds' part about the history of the chemtrail story. It is fascinating and you might learn something you didn't know.
Nothing like discussing grenades ad nauseum after they've already gone off. And so as you can see by the different body parts we have a hand, partial leg, someone's foot, a finger and oh look. There is even a bunch of shrapnel that we can examine piece by piece to determine the content and chemical make-up. Tomorrow's lesson. How to identify a grenade before it goes off, how to trace the manufacturers of the grenade and why you should take every opportunity to talk non-stop about the grenade. We'll even have a panel of respected experts give you their thoughts on the composition, make-up and impact of grenades. What do you mean try and actually stop the manufacturers of the grenade? Are you crazy? There is no money or fame in that. And besides why would we try and stop them using their own product when it is doing exactly what was intended. Taking out as many people as possible. :-)
I understand your comment. I will tell you more about our experience. On a Greek Island, in May of last year, my husband and I saw for the first time trails which were obviously spread by planes (we counted 3 flying high back and fore across the sky), from about 1 PM to the evening. In the morning, the sky had been clear and deep blue. The trails appeared suddenly, without interruption to the evening, and dispersed. They peeled off at first, then they formed parallel lines across the sky. At about 4 PM the sky was white and the temperature dropped suddenly in an unusual way as the light was not the same anymore.
We go twice a year to Greece and know the islands very well. We have never experienced such a phenomenon.
The following days, we had a kind of mist/ haze over the island which was taking away the colors of the village and put the mountains in a very different perspective as the days before. The sun set behind a strange haze. This stayed like that for days, the sky was never the same blue anymore.
The media reported that "african dust" was responsible. A media online wrote that there was an episode of "african dust". An amazing map of the spread of the "african dust" showed it being carried from Wet and Central Africa all the way to Central Asia and almost to China).
In Crete, fragile people (old aged, sick and children) were advised to stay home or wear FFP2, N95 & KN95 masks because of the "dust from the Sahara". People should stay home and mesures should be taken to improve the quality of the air (?!).
I don't denie any of the pollution due to the commercial flights. This was certainly not a commercial flight. The way the trails were left does not at all correspond. They went with a kind of patten. Also, on Greek islands, we never ever saw the sky whitning in such a manner, and the sun appearing in a strange haze behind us. The island is not under main air routes. We took pictures, but only with our mobile phone.
Has anyone thought to wonder why, all of a sudden, all commercial aircraft has changed the type of engines they use FOR THE WORSE??? That sounds very un-American to me. For a country that has historically strived for innovation, our aero-space industry suddenly starts spitting our aircraft that have contrails all the time instead of only at certain altitudes and under certain atmospheric conditions? When one considers how many trillions of dollars have been spent already on the "Space Fence", including stolen dollars, ie; our fiber optic fund among other missing trillions, it doesn't seem such a stretch to imagine you're all being fed lies and falling for them because you can see some tangible evidence. Remember, the ones doing this are masters of propaganda. I think we're being played by our own Deep State in their seemingly insatiable quest for dominance. Take the time to read Elena Freeland. This author has given up much of her life to explain what was coming and what is now happening in real time. It's not conspiracy theory, it's hard science and courageous whistleblowing and though her books are not easy reads they do offer the well cited truth. While it's true that planes do have new engine types and they are contributing to much pollution that is not the story of what is really happening. That is a cover story to send you off track, something the Deep State excels at.
NOT 'All of a Sudden" all military was changed for a one fuel system - as quoted by Jim Lee in his presentation, this one fuel system was used for an 'all equipment - one fuel' military purpose to make it 'easier to manage equip in war zones'.
How it was transferred to all air traffic (since 1997) is a good question indeed!
Contrails form when it's cold enough - just like your breath in cold weather.
Chemtrails are contrails that aren't flying at a cold enough altitude; either way, they both create plane farts full of toxic chemicals unhealthy to all below.
AND
I agree with you - keeping people looking up and keeping the AT MOST FEAR vibe will be part of their AGENDA, meanwhile the CARBON SEQUESTRATION UNDERGROUND is a TRUELY DEADLY - death by suffocation network.
Yes there has been a time in history where this oligarchical reign has caused starvation, death and much drive to keep the slave system alive. Think of the 'Great Depression' 1920's crash that led to a decade of starvation and pre-war machinations...
Times were equally as bad as this is the same crowd with another attempt to doing the same thing as today.
History repeats itself.
Please do not underestimate the efforts of ENMOD Ending Climate Modification and Creating Accountability efforts - like many interviewers state, "this was a scratch of the knowledge and expertise that Jim Lee has," so I encourage you to open your door to let some of his information in.
Glad you have someone you admire to find a path that works for you.
Jim's presentation is worth every second of the airtime he had and represents only a fraction of his work on the ClimateViewer website.
Climate change is a catch all phrase and many people seem to forget that Climate change is a natural phenomenon. It is a natural cyclical process quite different from the man made environmental crisis we now face. The pollutants being discharged into our atmosphere, primarily via aviation, shipping and industry are a significant problem that compounds the environmental damage already created by industrial farming.
Although not the first to raise the alarm, Victor Schauberger warned us in 1933 that our planet is in serious trouble. “Correcting our misuse of the environment is imperative” he warned, and gave detailed reasons for the degradation of our environment at that time:
• Deforestation, to create large open fields, removes vital shade from the soil;
• Large open fields devoid of shade raises the temperature of the soil, causing the water-table to drop;
• Top spraying crops with water to compensate washes away vital nutrients, making it necessary to apply fertiliser. Fertilisers made by the aggro-chemical industry, whose short-term interests it serves;
• Deep ploughing disturbs the micro-biome of the soil, causing it to lose its structure. The US dust-bowl is a prime example of what ultimately happens when large tracts of land are stripped of their natural form, to enable commercial exploitation;
• The indiscriminate spraying of crops with pesticides kills pollinators and contaminates the food we eat. “Pests” primarily attack plants that are stressed or sick. We need to ask ourselves why they are sick and stressed?
Modern farming methods combined with pollutants from aircraft, shipping and industry have created the so called “climate emergency” we are experiencing.
To be clear CO2 (a molecule composed of one atom of carbon and two atoms of oxygen) is not a pollutant in our atmosphere, it is an essential building block of all life on this planet and should not to be confused with carbon in its elemental forms that have distinct physical properties, such as soot from fossil fuel combustion. CO2 is at an historic low, at around 450 ppm, at 180 ppm vegetation on Earth will be unable to grow. It is sheer lunacy to be trying to physically remove CO2 from the atmosphere, and still worse, cooling our oceans via Solar Radiation Management and marine cloud brightening that reduces the oceans ability to off-gas CO2.
The Earth is currently in an inter-glacial period known as the Pleistocene ice age, consisting of an alternating series of glacial and inter-glacial periods that began 2.58 million years ago, and is still ongoing. Basically, if there is ice at the poles, we are still in an ice age. In fact we are now in one of the coldest periods in Earths history. The small uptick in temperatures used in the now infamous hockey stick graph represents only a small peak on a persistent down trend in temperatures, the rate of which will increase with solar dimming.
Not only did Victor Schauberger predict the environmental crisis we now face, he also predicted the response of those in authority that are responsible:
“Unfortunately catastrophes or scandalous disclosures always have to happen before humanity realises that it is only its own mistakes that have led it into misfortune. These are all the more difficult to rectify, because in the main they have been made by the authorities, who will not commit suicide themselves, but in order to save their own skins, they would rather that all life should perish before they acknowledge their errors.”
So you may ask, how do we lawfully and honourably get to the truth in order to avoid Schauberger’s prediction?
Common Law is the highest form of law known to man, despite few people being familiar with it. Within Common Law there is a Liens process, used to obtain resolution through agreement.
this process is used to establish the validity of claims made by the Respondent.
The Claimant/s put forward a Plain Statements of Facts, and allows the Respondent/s a fixed time to respond to each Notice, plus a number of opportunities throughout the process to rebut the statements with evidence, under oath, to the contrary.
(The Respondent/s are always the Leaders of the Company or Organisation, not the Company or Organisation itself).
On behalf of the Nations that form the Universal Community Trust, I have applied this process to some of the key protagonists of the climate change narrative, namely The leaders of The UN, IPCC, WMO and IMO. They have failed to provide proof in the form of material, factual evidence under binding oath, that rebuts the statements of fact offered. Therefore, they have agreed in Law that the statements made are true.
I do follow most reports on blocking out our sunlight and I'm sorry but I don't agree with this particular one stating that '40 million flights a year are creating clouds that block sunlight' and to concentrate on this one. Now isn't this what the WEF want? oh I'll answer my own question shall I..YES they are trying their best to put a full stop to us flying and to agree with the statement above would in fact be helping these parasites towards their agenda. sorry not for me folks.
The WEF is far from wanting to advance our abilities to travel more for certain.
I suspect Carney was appeasing Canadians with proposing a first high speed rail (between Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec City) to mitigate a bubble of angst developing into an all out revolution from the masses. He is a scary dude at the helm right now.
I do get your thinking, but who truly knows often They™ play BOTH sides - do you see that?
Yes indeed I do, they are coming at us from all sides now, lot's of distractions and I'm sure you are aware of most of them. At this very moment the main distraction is to steer you away from their meetings taking place as I try to type concerning the IHR Amendments, IF these go through we may as well forget about the skies because we are all finished. Oh and as from yesterday the UK is now blocked from any posts on Bitchute! Yep Freedom Of Speech now diminishing rapidly, so if you know of anyone who tries to share info on this particular platform then forget the UK. I simply cannot believe that all of this is happening at my ripe old age, I thought that I would be sitting back and relaxing yet I find myself fighting for my life and freedom every single moment. Anyway, all I can say is BRING IT ON !
Yes indeed I am all for clear skies, I think you may have misunderstood me, I follow you avidly and thank god we have someone on our side who is actually fighting to end all of this, the fact is that we are all aware now that they are poisoning us and continue to do so. If the commercial flights are less they will still send out their aircraft to spray us to death without consequences. the WEF are trying their upmost to reduce flights and stop us going on holiday etc so I think that this approach will be helping. I would like to think that I can express my difference of opinion without worrying, I mean no malice to anyone I just disagree with this particular approach.
It astounds me that such a source and individual as yourself that has published so much valuable information, can insult your own integrity by allowing Jim Lee a platform, with his bogus conclusions. Not to mention his atrrocious attempts to discredit Mr. Wigington, and his website www.geoengineeringwatch.org.
If you haven't already, spare the time to watch 'The Dimming' and then ask yourself how is it that so many with valuable credentials have decided to side with Dane Wigington, contributng immense resources to conclusively prove that global climate engineering operations with the dispersion of untold amounts of toxic particulate matter are subject to discrediting by someone like Mr. Lee that has done nothing but smear and sabotage the tireless works of those who only stand by verifiable truths. Here we are trying to build bridges and bring the issue of climate engineering to light, and our cause hurt by such publications and it's patently false conclusions. Which side are you on Mr. Ji?
Where is DW's lawsuit? Oh, it doesn’t exist… even after publishing his 700-page book, Geoengineering: Chronicle of Indictment. I was excited when I read this book and told DW that we were legally going to pursue these perpetrators. That’s when he went on the attack in every possible way, including whisper campaigns similar to what ManicKat is doing. When I finally managed to track down some attorneys who were supposedly "working" on DW’s case, they confirmed that there wasn’t one—zilch.
Regarding our fundraising, unlike Dane's GeoengineeringWatch dot "org," it is not a 501c3, it is not even an LLC, he pockets every penny. Don't believe me? Go look up his non-profit 990 tax form. You will see it doesn't exist because he GW is not a non-profit.
And as far as our fundraising. We have a Fiscal Responsibility page that includes easy-peasy to read pie chart on how that money was spent on our legal team: https://www.saveourskies.org/fiscal-responsibility
Regarding our lawsuit update; we have completely drafted our Petition for Rule Making to send to the EPA, CalEPA, CARB, and FAA, and it is being reviewed by our legal consultant in preparation for our lawsuit. We have to exhaust all avenues before going to court.
I am still looking for any Petition for Rulemaking submission by Dane, or anything he had produced that has been solution-oriented.
Did Dane promise his viewers he would file a lawsuit like yourself? No. Has he ever rattled his tin cup like you and had zero to show for it like you? No.
He has done more than anyone to wake people up to the geoengineering SPRAYING of our skies. You on the other hand regurgitate some of Dane's facts but spew out baseless disinformation jet exhaust bullshit which people are waking up to the fact is again, complete bullshit. Just like you and Jim Lee.
Cloud seeding has NOTHING to do with contrails/chemtrails.....C-trails. It is done at a temperature of -5 to -10 deg C. That is usually between FL100 and FL160 in central CA.
C-trails are at temperatures colder than -35 deg C. That's up above FL300 usually, but rarely it can get down to FL200-FL250 when there is a very cold low pressure center.
SAI is another totally different thing. The purposeful SAI will be above FL600, 60,000' when they get that purpose-built jet. But now, only Bill Gates and Co, the 'elites' the CEOs and political class get the Lear-type buses at FL450. They are doing SAI every moment they cross above the tropopause into the stratosphere.
They are not even closely related.
Here are some seeding aircraft in North America. Seeding season is pretty much over.
Cloud seeding aircraft that I have tracked so far in western North America, if anyone wants to view them doing their dirty work....
Several of these, if they belong to Weather Modification International, no longer report their location.....transponder off since being approached at 2 am by an activist. That one that was approached was in Modesto, N904DK.
Whether intentional or not, it's a form of cirrus cloud seeding, just a different category to cumulus cloud seeding, not unrelated at all.
"Cloud-cover modification techniques have received little attention from weather modification researchers in the past, compared to the focus given to precipitation enhancement and hail suppression techniques. As a result, significant uncertainties remain regarding both the feasibility and potential applications of cloud-cover modification methods."
"Recently it has been shown that under some circumstances it may be cost-effective to stimulate artificially the formation of cirrus clouds in clear ice-supersaturated air in order to reduce nocturnal cooling in urban areas during the cold season (Detwiler and Cho,1982)”
“Clouds could also be used to moderate temperatures in agricultural areas when extremely hot or cold conditions present problems. Changes in both surface temperatures and evapotranspiration may result if cloud cover is altered.”
“Cloud-cover modification techniques have received little attention in the past from weather modification researchers compared to the attention given to the development of precipitation enhancement and hail suppression techniques.”
“ Changnon (1981) has speculated that aircraft contrails already may be inadvertently moderating temperatures in portions of the mid-western United States. Here, we will be concerned with the production of cirrus clouds in clear, or mostly clear, air by seeding with ice-forming nucleants.”
Effects of Artificial and Natural Cirrus Near the Ground on Temperatures Near the Ground
Are you for or against making clouds do what they want them to do? I'm not. The 'top' geoengineers seem to think the Earth is warming, even though they now rarely use 'global warming' and instead use 'Climate Change'. The cirrus during the day and none at night is the focus for Mr Billy Joe Jim Bob Gates and his group of godwannabees.
I go with the scientists that say it is the sun that causes all of the climate change, and we are resuming the descent with the start of solar cycle 26 into the Grand Solar Minimum. Cooling till the early 2030s with increasingly erratic temperature swings. And then warming into the 2050s. Not human caused.
As I'm against cloud seeding. Hands off is my thought. Let it be what it is. If you live in Nevada, know it is going to be dry, but stealing the potential water in Sonora CA is off limits. Nevada might have gotten it over their higher terrain. Turlock Irrigation District should not be able to prematurely take it. That's just an example because that's the area I have spent many dozens of hours watching the seeding for TID, at $80,000 a month for 7 hours of flying. I can't share that invoice unfortunately, but that's the cost of the rape they are performing on someone.
The relative effect on planetary surface temperature between a cirrus cloud and a stratus/stratocumulus cloud layer is literally night and day. If there is not a stratus layer the radiant heat from the surface will dissipate through any area below an inversion, if it exists. If there is an inversion there is going to be a cloud layer involved, as it is the reason for the trapped heat. No cloud layer, that heat just spreads in a larger area but the surface still cools very noticably. Water is the best greenhouse gas.
I am of course against making such clouds. Over one day-night cycle aviation induced cirrus is ALWAYS net warming at ALL latitudes. Persistent contrail cirrus most often persists (hence the name) well over this period and is continually replenished. The particulates are constantly emitted whether water vapour is available or not. If not, they hang around until it becomes available and then form cirrus clouds. So, altering flight times will make no difference whatsoever.
I don’t go with those scientists nor the ones that claim it’s all about CO2. Solar cycle 26 hasn’t arrived yet, they thought the same about Solar cycle 24 & 25. So much for that. Temperatures increase despite cycles winding down. Something is overriding that.
I live in the UK where the idea of fuelling cumulus clouds would be a very stupid one as was demonstrated over Lynmouth years ago.
Upper clouds are net-warming and lower clouds are net-cooling, yes. They have been on the increase and decrease respectively since the 80’s. Water evaporates and precipitates, it’s a feedback not a forcing and it generates less warming alone than when it’s locked up into a cirrus cloud.
I’m familiar with Svensmark and Friis-Christensen’s cosmic ray theory. I am convinced of its mechanism of action in amplifying the effects of the Sun either by reducing or increasing lower cloud cover. I also believe it’s possible to simulate this effect using sustained microwave beams to set off electron cascades in moisture laden air saturated with metallic particles.
However, that doesn’t mean the Sun and cosmic ray theory are responsible for the warming we are experiencing since around 1970. The sun, although absolutely central to climate, cannot be responsible for the unprecedented warming of the last 55 years or so.
It is interesting that Jon Egill Kristjansson, a prominent proponent of the use of the geoengineering technology known as cirrus cloud thinning, seemed to recognize the divergence between global warming and sunspot cycles whilst accepting that there was such a correlation before the unprecedented global warming from around 1975.
He was one the many scientists to challenge Svensmark’s theory of the role of solar cycles in global warming. He turned it on its head, arguing that rather than disproving anthropogenic global warming, solar cycles helped to prove it from 1975 onwards when temperatures and solar cycles went their separate ways.
“Friis-Christensen now accepts that any correlation between sunspots and global warming that he may have identified in the 1991 study has since broken down. There is, he said, a clear "divergence" between the sunspots and global temperatures after 1986, which shows that the present warming period cannot be explained by solar activity alone.”
“Professor Jon Egill Kristjansson, a leading geoscientist at the University of Oslo, said that the divergence between global warming and solar cycles in the late 20th century "is now undisputed". He also points out that if Svensmark is right, there should have been a decrease in cosmic rays, but in fact over the past 50 years they have, if anything, slightly increased – despite statements to the contrary in the Cern proposal of 2000.”
"Following Svensmark's mechanism, it seems that any cosmic ray explanation of current global warming can be ruled out," Egill Kristjansson said.
Many people believe that the 1952 Lynmouth flood disaster in the UK was caused by cloud seeding experiments carried out by the Royal Air Force.
In the face of denials from the Ministry of Defence, the BBC uncovered evidence of such experiments under the name Project Cumulus dating from 1949 to 1952.
Classified documents from Project Cumulus pertaining to this period have gone missing.
The secrecy around the cloud seeding experiments occurred after the disaster. Before there was a widespread excitement about the possibilities of inducing rain.
The scientists were seeding individual cumulus clouds but with the intention of growing them into superstorms.
That is what makes clouds. Moisture and lifting of that moisture, via convection, convergence, frontal lift, and orographic (terrain). Lifting the moisture to levels where aircraft fly sets up the moisture half of the equation. All you need then is the right temperature.
And if it is not quite cloud at the edge of that cirrus, an injection of moisture from an aircraft engine, the bigger the more likely, might just push it over the edge and making cloud.....a linear one.
If you want to clean up aviation fuel. Awesome- go for it. But why dismiss and undermine all the work of those who believe that aerosols are being sprayed?
Lauren, first of all, I want to emphasize that no one is undermining all the good effort to end the aerosol spraying programs. On the contrary, we are complementing their efforts.
It has become abundantly clear that what is happening in our skies is a combination of factors that need to be addressed: clandestine programs, weather modification initiatives like cloud seeding, and the often-overlooked issue of massive and growing number of commercial aviation flights.
For over 15 years, I believed geoengineering was entirely about clandestine programs. It wasn’t until I decided to have our organization, GenSeven (Save Our Skies) take the perpetrators to court that I realized the situation was far more complex.
Commercial aviation has a much larger impact on dimming the sun than I ever imagined, primarily through persistent contrails and the release of soot, heavy metals, and sulfur.
As I began to incorporate this additional information—examining the statistics, evidence, and studies—it became clear that our Save Our Skies organization needed to adjust its approach.
Specifically, when we discovered that all of the anti-geoengineering legislation would fail to address commercial aviation that is leaving the vast majority of those criss-crosses in the sky, that states lack authority over their airspaces, and that nothing has been updated to protect our skies since the Clean Air Act of 1963 (which essentially dismissed commercial aviation pollution and sky whitening as just the “cost of doing business”), we realized we had to change our legal strategy.
We need the Clean Air Act updated and are prepared to sue the responsible agencies. However, before doing so, we must exhaust all avenues. This begins with submitting a Petition for Rule Making to the EPA, CalEPA, and FAA for failing to update their standards since 1963. This is an essential first step before holding these agencies accountable in court.
You may not think commercial aviation significantly contributes to blocking sunlight and toxifying our atmosphere, but consider this: in 1963, there were approximately 300,000 flights per year. Today, we’re at 45 million flights annually (possibly much higher). If you doubt the health impacts of this, simply Google “aviation-induced mortality.”
While I’m encouraged by anti-geoengineering legislation being passed in various states, these efforts primarily target clandestine programs—what we often call the "needle in the haystack."
We’re addressing the "haystack" itself: tens of millions of commercial flights that have gone essentially unregulated for over six decades.
I’m fortunate to be surrounded by a dedicated team of activists and researchers who have been instrumental in compiling and organizing citations for this critical document. We will be submitting it by the end of this week, marking a historic moment for us.
To better understand our perspective, I encourage you to check out my Substack post on this topic from a couple of weeks ago: https://reinettesenumsfoghornexpress.substack.com/p/sos-swarm-webinar-geoengineering.
Excellent reply Reinette. Obviously, commercial airlines and petrochemical suppliers are in bed together, and have *attempted* to cover up commercial airline damage to the atmosphere for over 60 years. The chemical poisons utilized in geoengineering only exacerbate the problem, and the NASA, NOAA, EPA, and anyone paying attention, knows this to be the case...
Grounding ALL aircraft is the obvious solution. But the public wants to fly around like little stuffed gods... Thank you for your efforts.
As Jim says in the fast paced video - he mentioned the fuel was changed in 1997 for convenience - one fuel war zone for all war machines on ground and in the air - so they are all spewing out this shite.
Not to mention the downgraded bunker fuel in ships - that's a big impact... like mini volcanoes spewing amuck!
You delineating what is fact and fiction does undermine the work of those who hold other theories. You are indirectly saying that you have the facts and other theories- specifically that there is a military operation that is manipulating weather, is fiction.
One side of your story says yes there may be a clandestine operation to alter weather but we can’t prove that so- look over here at jet fuel. Which again is a great focus. But it does not explain what real people are seeing real time.
Best of luck with your new direction.
Do you want to go down this rabbit hole? Happy to provide you with the info...
Back up your claims do your research and if you see something that is provably incorrect like Jim Lee always says "prove me wrong" otherwise you have no foundation to your words.
REAL TIME - check Jeff M's post below - he is our meteorologist who teaches the terminology and the apps required to comprehend what's happening in REAL TIME... not a huge learning curve but nonetheless, if you want to substantiate your claims... they buckle up and join the research team.
We are on substack and telegram.
You're looking for the needle in the haystack while it's the haystack that is the issue.
Also- I paid for the abds exchange app so I could see if the dozens of unmarked jets I see daily are military or what… They DO NOT show up on flight radar.
So I ask- how do you know what is coming out of them?
And have you seen the frequency patterns in the clouds- like the herring bones or the cauliflower clouds?
Your mission to clean up jet fuel is important and noble.
The issue of jets spraying aerosols (I’m sorry I know they teased you out of saying “spray”) and then those aerosols being steered with EMFs to effect weather (and climate) is a a separate issue.
Perhaps you should talk with Jolie Diane about what she knows to be happening due to the extensive primary sourced documents she has collected and published. I’ve heard legislation is being crafted in CA, you would be a great addition to their team.
Addressing jet fuel is not addressing GE. You saying that you are addressing GE by changing jet fuel is false and misleading.
Got it yes, but does Lauren?
Airplanes run on compressed air. Jim Lee seems a bit suspect to me.
Yup rubber bands also.
Thanks. Lauren.
Lots of input here to take into consideration. Thank you all.
People have verified those chems in chemtrails. They have had samples analyzed. Soil tested.
Why try to shift attention away from the metals that are over crops, ruining the soil and water? This is more important as it’s been going on for years now. Seeding for rain isn’t as harmful.
That aluminum causes dementia. It’s No time to brush this aside.
Actually, the samples I have seen are all unable to connect anything except that aluminum is in them. Since aluminum is on average at 8% in soil the most reasonable explanation is that the aluminum in rain comes from soil dust which is always in the air. Unfortunately none of these tests did a simultaneous analysis for silicon which would have confirmed the presence of soil dust instead of something else.
Also, the ICP-MS test does NOT confirm bioavailable aluminum, it only detects total aluminum most of which is as an oxide or a silicoaluminate clay which are both ubiquitous in soil. This is why legitimate environmental scientists scoff at these tests.
They know that these tests lack rigor and didn't do the due diligence required to rule out ordinary soil as being the source of aluminum.
I pointed this out to Dane Wigington and others well over a decade ago. Rather than correct that error he continued on and wasted the past 10+ years and thousands of $ of people's money on worthless testing only for aluminum, barium, and strontium.
Sorry about all this but check out everything I wrote here, you will find it 100% accurate.-Jay Reynolds
Jay! That was a doozy when you mentioned this during our panel discussion! That changes everything about the aluminum detection. Do you know of anybody who has tested for silicon in their rain samples?
Yes, Reinette. As an experiment I suggested that an online friend named Steve Funk who lives in Mt. Shasta to take rain water samples from the same area where so many others have been taken. This is normal practice to repeat a sample. Have a look:
Post in thread 'Debunked: Shasta Snow and Water Aluminum Tests.' https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-shasta-snow-and-water-aluminum-tests.137/post-60312
Steve Funk also repeated the famous Mt. Shasta snow samples you may have seen in a movie. What wasn't disclosed in the movie version was that the snow sample was taken during mid summer when the snow had been exposed to months of dirt blowing onto it.
https://youtu.be/0hyjh3oIDW0?si=hJGOF4bmxYIXVs41
There was a whole lot done back in 2011 when we started looking at those snow and water aluminum tests. It's really incredible how all of this was swept under the rug now for 14 years and nobody figured it out but our group. This was the sort of research we did before taking our own samples to confirm our suspicions of how wrong those tests were as well as the conclusions which have been put into 3 different movies now. If you repeat stuff long enough it really does become taken as fact, even if its not true.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-shasta-snow-and-water-aluminum-tests.137/
At least look into Francis Mangels work. His samples when correlated with persistent trailing occurring 3-4 days beforehand, the length of time for the particles to reach the ground, caused figure of aluminium levels in the rain to jump from 50 to 3000 ppb. That's not mineral dust in any universe. Shouldn't just blindly trust Metabunk off the bat without challenging their claims.
Hugh, please read through the link. I meantioned in the metabunk thread above that I spoke to mangels for an hour on the phone. We addressed the Mangels tests and even duplicated his snow and water tests including silicon, which he didn't do. The tests including silicon indicated aluminosilicate dust in Mt. Shasta rain based on a standard crustal enrichment factor of 3:1 Si/Al. It is unlikely that anything released overhead would fall near that location. Typical wind at the altitude people see trails is over 40mph and up to 100mph is not uncommon. Even at 5mph wind anything released overhead after 3 days would be 5mphx72hrs=360 miles away.
Dust can vary from day to day. Sometimes it become very windy just before a rainstorm, and dust blows around. Northern California is a fairly dry place, and subject to long periods of drought and fire.
I did let Francis Mangels and his cohorts know they could test for silicon to rule out dust being the source of aluminum in their samples, but they refused. That's not very scientific and could have helped their cause a great deal by improving their testing at minimal cost, but they wouldn't do it or let others know of the problem. So now there they sit, with every sample being a waste of their time.
But don't believe me, aluminum containing dust has been found in Antarctic ice cores going back to the 1800's.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.0607657104
I’ve read through that link and the only substance I can derive from it is the group animosity towards Mangels, particularly on your part, even Mick West has to rein you in at one point. Any tape script of your conversation with Mangels? I’d love to see it.
The rest is your narrow focus on aluminium alone, ignoring the barium and strontium found, and assuming AL/Si ratios must match the Earth’s crust. Combustion ash has different ratios of Al/Si and contains Ba and Sr. So far, I only have your word that you duplicated those tests, were they rigorous? Did you publish them? When did you sample? On clean days or on trailing days?
Your “wind blows it away” argument is severely flawed. First the atmosphere is not a wind tunnel, it’s turbulent causing particles to disperse vertically and horizontally. Secondly, and most important, these metallic particles act as cloud condensation nuclei and ice nuclei and rain out as droplets. NASA (2013): Jet exhaust particles can seed cirrus clouds, which precipitate within 3–4 days. Mangels was collecting and testing THIS water. I can bet you weren’t as you just denied it was possible. Even in the Sahara dust falls locally as rain.
Yes, dust varies, so what? It’s found as the basis for cirrus clouds as well, the natural variety but metallic particles and combustion ash are at the basis of the artificial variety, which also blanket the earth. The metals are in the jet fuel exhaust as well, documented by Jim. Shouldn’t be a surprise to find it in rainwater!
To misquote the song, all your arguments are is dust in the wind…. “silicon proves it’s dust” is irrelevant when the levels jump from background levels in rainwater after trailing so dramatically. You can’t use arguments pretending I don’t know dust contains aluminium in this fashion when the quantities are so different. In the Antarctic the volcanic dust had background Al levels (0.1–1 ppb)—not 3,000 ppb spikes.
Also, dust would lower the pH of the soil and silicon is inert but Mangels found a pH shift from 5.5 to 6.8. That’s probably due to barium, strontium and calcium.
You also claimed falsely that Mangels didn’t test for Si but he did in fact test for it later as documented in emails and interviews and the results still pointed to non-dust sources. Clifford Carnicom also tested rainwater for Al, Si, Ba, and Sr, and found the Al/Si ratios vary widely lower than crustal averages suggesting non-dust sources. Ba/Sr consistently appeared. So, the onus is on you to test for Br/Sr. Herndon found all the signatures and spherical shapes for coal fly ash which contains all those metals. I admit here that I am uncertain as to whether he had found coal fly ash here or combustion ash from jet fuel but that is irrelevant to this argument, it wasn’t dust.
So, no, the tests were and are certainly not a waste of time.
Your analyses apparently fail to specify *aluminum oxide* as a nano-particulate. The tests you so cavalierly wave off, discovered massive amounts of particulate matter other than soluble aluminum. What scale-sized particulate matter are you discussing? Barium, strontium, and other metallic compounds should not be found in biological tissues. Jus' sayin'
I'm not cavalierly waving anything off. I'm pointing out the way that precipitation tests could have been done to improve them. As it stands, since the tests never tested for silicon, they are all worthless. Over a decade wasted on tests which were not done properly and can never be connected to anything. That is very sad because I pointed the deficiency out to geoengineeringwatch in 2013 and they never relayed that publicly. I believe that wasn't done because testing for silicon would have revealed the source of aluminum was coming from soil dust instead of airplanes. I wanted progress but GEW decided to waste everyone's time.
None of the water tests detected any nano particles. The type of water tests done by chemtrail activists cannot do that.
Barium and strontium are parts of the earth's crust. Brazil nuts are especially high in barium. Strontium is so close to calcium it is always found in bones, and is actually used for acute osteoporosis since it is believed to not be recycled as readily as calcium is. Barium is also widely used as a contrast for CAT scans with the person drinking a large dose with no ill effects.
Paul, I encourage you to ask geoengineeringwatch why they haven't been testing for both silicon and aluminum over the last 12 years to ascertain the silicon/aluminum ratio as other environmental samplers do. The purpose would be to distinguish between ordinary soil dust and an otherwise unknown contaminant. I'd be interested in seeing what they say.
In his backyard rain gauge samples California-based Francis Mangels (forestry expert, professor and master gardener, who worked several years with the USDA Soil Conservation Service as a soil conservationist) regularly found around 1000 ppb (parts per billion) aluminium and 8 ppb Barium.
The normal concentration of aluminium in the rain should be from 0 – 0.5 ppb. Barium should not be there in any amount according to Mangels. This is 2020 times the normal levels of aluminium. The 2,000× Al spike is impossible from natural dust alone.
Hello Huge Boone. Yes. I've read papers published by Francis Mangles, and his analyses agree with many other soil and water samples taken in various locations within the continental US. Mr. Reynolds is attempting to establish that eating, drinking, and bathing in chemical soup is good practice.
Perhaps add this to your list of analyses: McCampbell Analytical Inc. Testing services. >>> "Located in the San Francisco Bay Area, McCampbell Analytical, Inc. (MAI) offers a full range of analytical testing services for drinking water, waste water, storm water, as well as metals testing, soil testing, volatile organic compounds (VOC's) testing, hazardous waste, industrial materials and food analysis for a wide variety of chemical compounds including organic, inorganic and metallic contaminants."
http://mccampbell.com/ Best regards.
I have to concur with Jay on this, Paul. It's imperative that silicon be tested as well to rule out what can be found in every day soil. THIS was a huge wake up for me. ALL of those tests that we recently paid for through SOS? They are useless because we didn't test the silicon. Damn shame.
There is no heavy industry in the Mt. Shasta area. These samples when correlated with persistent trailing occurring 3-4 days beforehand, the length of time for the particles to reach the ground, the figure jumped from 50 to 3000 ppb.
It is important to recognize that aluminium does indeed occur in soils and that the amount of aluminium deposited via aircraft is relatively small in comparison. However, it is more important to note that aluminium should not be occurring in rainwater at levels above the range 0 – 0.5 ppb.
Aluminum is bound to other elements in nature and in the soil. If it found in our rain, it has been mined, refined and sprayed to have gotten there.
Karl, here is documented evidence that finding aluminum in rain water is not unusual because aluminum makes up average 8% of all soil dust, and soil dust is always in the air when it rains. Historical tests show this.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/aluminium-value-in-rainwater.6101/
Yes, aluminum is very reactive and is almost always found as a compound with either oxygen or silicon as oxide or aluminosilicates. The most common aluminosilicate containing minerals in soils are feldspar and clays. So, when clay dust is in the air, which it almost always is, and it rains, the rain washes out the clay dust and into the rain sample. The analysis used for rain water (ICP-MS) doesn't detect metallic aluminum, it detects TOTAL aluminum atoms regardless of it it was bound or not. It therefore doesn't give you any idea whether the aluminum was bound or bioavailable, as frequently claimed. I urge you to contact any atmospheric, geological, or rainwater specialist and assure that they will all agree with what I just said.
Here is a study of Arctic rainwater at Frobisher Bay NWT from 1984. They detected aluminum at about the same rate from rainwater as samples being shown by chemtrails interested persons. They discuss crustal enrichment.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/237432107_Trace_Elements_in_Frobisher_Bay_Rainwater
Got it Jay, so the aluminum in the clay blowing in the wind is killing soil microbiome decimating our insect populations, and destroying our life giving ozone. None of this has to do with the fact it is being verifiably sprayed from jet aircraft.
Probably more to do with the big agriculture approach versus the small regenerative farmer approach that is destroying the lifeforce in our soils, 'spraying' big ag herbicides also is destroying the natural microbiome.
Spraying isn't something done up high in the sky, it's something done to control plants and create monoculture or gmo.
Lines in the sky are contrails, they may be filled with chemicals but if they are white - those are condensed plane exhausts. (Yes full of pollution and not healthy for the atmosphere).
To deal with this, Jim Lee will repeatedly say is to deal with those in charge of making the fuel and that is NATO.
No 'state' has any say over international flying regulations.
However the more of them that do this ban, the more the Fed's will have to listen... but, hey, let's see if RFK and Trump pull that trump card on this!
I am a small farmer and have been farming much of my life. My soil microbiome is fine. While some insects may have their ups and downs a sentinel species the Monarch disputes the decimation by increasing 99% over last year. I find this good news!
https://texasbutterflyranch.com/2025/03/07/eastern-monarch-numbers-in-mexico-vault-99-over-last-years-near-historic-low-california-populations-teetering/
Seeding for rain IS a major problem. Silver Iodide is highly toxic to aquatic species - contrary to deniers waving magic wands at the problem. Seeding for rain is by definition, geoengineering.
At the very least, it has never been proven safe. This is why we are including could seeding in our Petition for Rule Making to the EPA, CalEPA.
Hello Reinette. Perhaps you could add this Abstract to your library of evidence. There were numerous such Abstracts and analyses a decade ago, yet most have been scrubbed from internet access. In any case:
Potential risk of acute toxicity induced by AgI cloud seeding on soil and freshwater biota >>> Published in Ecotoxicology and Environmental Safety
Volume 133, November 2016, Pages 433-441 >>> https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0147651316302342?via%3Dihub
Partial excerpt: Abstract: “Silver iodide is one of the most common nucleating materials used in cloud seeding. Previous cloud seeding studies have concluded that AgI is not practically bioavailable in the environment but instead remains in soils and sediments such that the free Ag amounts are likely too low to induce a toxicological effect. However, none of these studies has considered the continued use of this practice on the same geographical areas and thus the potential cumulative effect of environmental AgI.” [End quote]
Also, seeding for snow - in those ski hills and for snowpack... that's been going on a long time!
It is not good for living things. However....Aluminum is the 2nd most abundant metallic element in the Earth's crust after silicon. That needs to be kept in mind when doing soil samples. There is the Sahara dust issue. It moves far and wide and will be in the rainwater. A plume is currently headed westward along the equator and will be covering northern South America and also Portugal and Spain in the next few days. https://earth.nullschool.net/#2025/04/09/1100Z/particulates/surface/level/overlay=duexttau/orthographic=-49.25,15.01,448 The controls are in the lower left corner next to 'Earth'.
It isn't that simple to pin aluminum found in rainwater strictly on jet traffic, and harder to even find ONE aircraft that is 'spraying'.
https://databayou.com/aluminum/world.html
You're grasping at straws, Jeff. People are testing their crops and the rainwater and finding high amounts of aluminum.
Cloud seeding flares are not only comprised of silver iodide, but other metals that act as combustion agents to disperse the silver. Mostly aluminum and zinc are used in flares (and higher amounts than the silver, itself). The UAE uses titanium dioxide nanoparticles, and experiments are being done in the U.S. with titanium dn as well.
Then you have the tracers used to track seeding efforts. Aluminum or zinc-coated glass fibers. It's not "just silver" and aluminum is being dumped into the air. You're working really hard to disprove our findings either for your own peace of mind or...you're gaslighting. I think you're gaslighting.
Heh, heh... Methinks Jeff M is gaslighting for petrochemical cartels and the airline industry... Here's another lame article positing the obvious. >>> Bomb Cyclones and Atmospheric Rivers: Is Someone Messing with the Weather? >>> By F. William Engdahl >>> Global Research, April 09, 2025 >>> https://www.globalresearch.ca/bomb-cyclones-atmospheric-rivers-someone-messing-weather/5804879
I have no love for either of the cartels you mention. I'm a trained meteorologist. What are your qualifications to assess cloud seeding fallout?
I have no credential, but have read numerous Science Direct, Elsevier, Journal of Meteorological Research - etc who's Abstracts and white papers have addressed climate issues and potential weather control strategy.
I've also read numerous pages of governmental and military record, approving of and funding weather modification exercises. Obviously, these "experiments" have been ongoing for well over 70 years.
I am not impressed by "experts". Sorry.
EDIT......CORRECTION at bottom.
The flares are 60% to 85% silver iodide. "Pyrotechnic cloud seeding composition US4096005A"
Abstract
A pyrotechnic cloud seeding composition comprising from about 60 to about 85 weight percent silver iodate, from about 10 to about 40 weight percent of a fuel from the class consisting of aluminium and magnesium, from about 5 to about 15 weight percent binder, and from about 0.1 to about 10 percent halogenated organic compound having a melting point of at least about 50° C. One illustrative compound is hexachlorobenzene.
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That leaves little at maximum 40% for the magnesium and aluminum. https://patents.google.com/patent/US4096005A/en
Being a science minded person I puzzled over how to prove how much junk would fall and how far away it would fall. It would depend on the winds at flight level where they would be at the required -5 to -10 deg C. That's usually between 2 and 3 miles up where they have to be. A 30 knot wind will disperse it in a more concentrated area than a 50 knot wind, and it is not uncommon to have even 60 knots. I know because I spent tens of hours investigating where they would be, and forecasted both time of show and altitude many times within an hour.
I did some math making some reasonable assumptions. It's math based on the month of November invoice by your WMI aircraft 522JP that I found and spent time watching to nail them on the weather. 314 flares @ 20 grams of seeding materials on a 30 mile north south loop length assuming 30-50 knot winds scatters that 6280 grams over maybe 1000 square miles. (30 miles by 30 miles is 900 sq miles....but lets just say for simple math we use 1000 sq miles) That's around 6 grams minimum per square mile of silver iodide, and at most 4 grams of pyro elements. 28 grams per oz. So that is one month. Do it for 6 months, a seeding season. 6 grams silver iodide x 6 months = 36 grams......36/28= 1.3 oz per square mile. That's if the snow didn't blow further away.
Cloud seeding does pollute. It would take a long study to collect the downwind fallout of a seeding operation in a grid pattern. That's what I suggested you do using the Cocorahs network of rain measurement volunteers. It takes time and effort that you have to go thru. That's called science. Experiments. Measured data.
Gaslighting? Funny. I'm a science and data guy. Where are your calculations on where and when it falls Kat?
CORRECTION...that was a paper with some other flare. This is what WMI used. "The pyrotechnic composition consists of (~70%) Ammonium Perchlorate, Zinc powder (non pyrophoric), Aluminium powder (non pyrophoric), and an organic binder. The remainder (~30%) consists of Silver Iodide, Copper Iodide, and Ammonium Iodide."
So 30% iodides compounds, 70% 'hot' stuff....the ammonium perchlorate is the one that makes the heat. http://www.sciencemadness.org/smwiki/index.php/Ammonium_perchlorate
So Zinc, Aluminum, and some Nitrogen, Hydrogen, Chlorine, Oxygen....
Ammonium perchlorate decomposes violently upon strong heating and may even explode under the right conditions.
4 NH4ClO4 → 2 N2 + 5 O2 + 6 H2O + 4 HCl'
Bottom line......my calculated grams/square mile are a bit off. The aluminum is 2 or 3 oz per square mile. Not going to go thru the numbers, as it is still infinitesimal. Gotta say, this math work makes me think cloud seeding is not as bad as I thought it was. But I'm still against it. Ban it.
Elle, if you believe this, it means you have surrendered your own agency. Those who idolize the "iconic" figures in geoengineering without digging deeper and conducting thorough research are doing a great disservice to humanity.
Many of us have had to "unlearn" what we initially believed to be true in geoengineering in order to reach a place where we could be truly effective. I encourage you to let go of all your preconceived notions and start fresh.
Unlearn what you see with you own eyes? Only paid liar and fools are able to do this. Are you one of these Renette?
Do some exercise
You really might want to do some research, if you feel so much needs to be done... help us by learning first of all... start researching... start learning the basics in terminology and the differences between geoengineering and herbicide spraying also learn how to use a few apps to help you discern what the heck is happening right above and below you..,
Or remain an armchair director - sit back and eat the shite being served... right now, we need people to develop some courage and bring some reason behind their words of approach to the right authorities in the right jurisdictions...
There are all kinds of roles that people can do if your not a action taker... there are always more behind the scene roles...
Shite or get off the pot as they say...
Because of Kat accosting a cloud seeding pilot and accusing him of geoengineering, the clouds seeding company in question has decided to fly with their transponders turned off, so you cannot check their flights and harass their pilots at the airport. Cloud seeding is legal, I'm not sure about harassment of someone who is doing their job. So score one against transparency.
The Goebelists are so predictable. No imagination. Just the same old repetitive tactics over and over. Rinse and repeat. Reset and repeat. War after war and repeat. Could you imagine how quickly those spraying operations would stop if even a handful of people had RPGs ready to go every time one of those devils flew over and dropped their loads. As the Freedom Fighters in Afghanistan discovered, when given the proper tools, the war was over in days rather than dragging on for years.
No problem, I can imagine stopping them, but one has to go prepared with knowledge of when, where and what before doing so - that isn't so easy because weather impacts the ability for things to happen so you need to have the free time to be a spy almost, track specific airplanes, but honestly today, the trackable herbicide sprayers are all handing in their flight plans and projected spray zones and are regulated, its the ones that are not doing these 'contractual' herbicide sprays that are the really hard ones to find... the key here relates to Jim saying we need more people doing real chasing of specific things - maybe focus on what we can gather info on and make a tracking plan???
Otherwise, join the 99% who are all talk and no action.
That being said, there are 'things' in the sprays that we can address, even if we don't 'catch' the pilot' which is equivalent to shooting the messenger to be honest...
finding out what is actually being sprayed can be challenging in itself.
Not sure about NM but in BC Canada, we have a BTK and serious 'hidden' labeled as 'propriety ingredients' - that are serious health risks.
Then there are the spray times and notifications that aren't appropriately given that may cause more people and animals to be in the path of the harmful spray as a result.
Check out this research I did,
https://cheriseagirl.substack.com/p/the-moth-math
Now we are all watching Ministry of Forests for their next plans for spray... typically this month - April so thanks for the reminder to get on this.
Been out in the BC mountains multiple times during the summer months (Whiteswan, Pedley Pass, Earl Grey, Dog Lake, etc.) and the amount of chemtrail spraying is brutal. I've seen the planes drop their loads such that they block out the sun, create fake rain events (where the skies go from sunny to completely grey in a couple of hours followed by rain). Even seen the grey trails in the sky that glow at night from all the aluminum and other metals that reflect light. The problem is just as bad in Ontario and New Brunswick where large swaths of forests are regularly sprayed with glyphosates to kill off the unwanted trees. Not sure about your area but I've also noticed a massive reduction in the mosquito population the last few years. Not that I'm complaining because it sure is nice to be outside without getting attacked by the voracious hordes but at the same time it has destroyed a critical food source for both birds and fish. Great research. One more nail in their coffin.
I do have family in Invermere ... there is a small airport in Athalmere...
Chemtrail spraying??? I believe you really want to perhaps say either 'herbicide spraying' or 'plane exhaust' but it's just a technological language that puts you in the conspiracy theorist camp or the researcher camp ~
"Drop their loads"?
Sometimes in an emergency a plane will dump fuel, or fire retardant which is also very toxic... but my point is, if we don't even educate ourselves to the terminology, we will simply become another mosquito spreading 'conspiracy mumbojumbo'.
'Creating fake rain events' - 'cloud seeding' you mean?
That's definitely also what they do also in those Rocky Mtns and Purcell Mtns - snow making that is... that's a weather modification industry of its own... but to be able to determine weather or rain more precisely is fake, means you would have already tracked the plane with a tail number and perhaps even looked up the registration for the cloud seeding and then actually caught the activity in its tracks... otherwise... how would you know it was "fake rain"?
Something I've learned, please look it up, cirrus homogenitus... this is what is called 'accidental geoengineering' it is when the planes fly at altitude and create a long lasting contrail that remains in the sky eventually spreading and turns into a manmade cirrus cloud (cirrus homogenitus).
You are right, these clouds wouldn't be there if it were not for those planes in the sky, especially when they fly at altitudes that create contrails, when it could be possible to avoid making them (that's the accidentally on purpose part).
Look up www.flightradar24.com
Aluminum - well there are lots of nasty chemicals in the JP8 fuel used by airplanes, but yes sky brightening is in fact another modality of geoengineering that is referred to as Saturated Aerosol Injection or SAI which is a higher altitude - in the stratosphere (so above the cloud heights) and is the cause for our white skies - haze.
SAI is a form of Solar Radiation Management and is truly a weather modification technique to reflect sunlight back out into space. There are many other methods to SRM than just SAI, but the concept is reflecting the sun. (When we reach our solar minimum cycle we can only hope they've stopped mucking around with this concept for concerns of another ice age occurrence.)
Yes the herbicide sprays - are nasty indeed!
The first time I noticed this was in Nakusp on July 1st 2020 for a concert and 'Canada Day' celebrations - there wasn't a single mosquito, or moth or bird in the sky in the area...
Yes this concerns me a great deal, but this is not the correct jurisdiction for discussing. Geoengineering is not herbicide spraying - that is another can of wigglers entirely.
Ministry of Forests is where you need to make reports to for various things glyphosate spraying or btk which is just as awful tbh...
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/industry/forestry/managing-our-forest-resources/forest-health/forest-pests/spongy-moth#Eradication
There is NO cloud seeding in BC.
There is sunning dimming, chemtrail spraying and weather modification though. I've witnessed it first hand in multiple areas of the BC Rockies.
we just need you to learn the terminology and learn some useful tools to determine what exactly you are seeing - we'd love your help!
Read the message below from Jeff M - he is the meteorologist that is our guy for things weather - you'll learn lots from what he says ...
In the bill the NM legislature wanted to pass in 2024 to legitimize and tax cloud seeding, there were no restrictions on the kinds of toxins cloud seeders could spray.
Also, this is the kind of Kat Attack that many of those after readership than reality are doing - to ramp up the fear - in At Most Fearic conditions, we lose our creativity and solution solving abilities.
Everyone is pointing up, and forgetting that the red herring up there not the only concern in the full spectrum of geoengineering, weather modification and Space Modifications and I'd like to add, I am quite concerned with the spider web of satellites, space junk and the interweb of connectivity that doesn't support most things on earth on the resonance scale with emf's etc. This is a technology that needs to be put in check imho as well.
Arm chair critic and keyboard warrior alert.
This strikes me as a limited hand out. Now that people are recognizing that the stripes in the sky are not contrails, the concept of limited contracts is introduced. When Dane Wigington accepts this theory I will also. Until then not so much.
Every stripe you see is a contrail. And a chemtrail. And everything you don't see is a chemtrail. It's way worse than you think. And the cirrus clouds are just that. Most are natural.
I believe you have that backwards, contrails you cannot see, because airplane engines have improved their machine exhaust over the years. Chemtrails are the visible ones, they expand and cause cloud cover and deploy other conditions, depending upon the chemicals emitted: strontium, barium, graphene, hydrogen dioxide, surfactants, polymers, aluminum.
Sorry to tell you that jet engines haven't changed that much. They still burn hydrocarbon fuel which gets about half it's power from burning carbon and half from hydrogen. When the carbon combines with oxygen in burning, it creates C+O=CO2. When the hydrogen burns with oxygen it creates H+O=H2O(water).
The water formed is not avoidable no matter the design of the engine, it is exhausted as a hot vapor, it powers the plane, makes it move. The ratio of water produced is also unavaoidable and has always been known to be about 1.3 pounds per pound of fuel burned.
So, a 747 burns about 10 tons of fuel per hour and produces 10x1.3= 13 tons of water per hour. When that water freezes that is what initially forms the contrails. However, when the plane is flying in Ice Supersaturated air, the water from exhaust attracts water from that air and adds to the ice from the plane at 1:10,000 times. Each crystal of ice from the exhaust can grow by 10,000 times by absorbing water which was already there. This creates the whole of a persistent contrail which can expand and cause cloud cover. There really is nothing else needed. We know this because pure hydrogen powered jet engines create contrails simply from water alone, no metals, no soot, no chemicals at all. To confirm the 1:10,000 figure see Knollenberg, 1972, Measurements of the Growth of the Ice Budget in a Persisting Contrail
Whoever tells you that modern High Bypass Turbofan engines hasn't addressed that fuel burned produces water, which tells you they are not telling you the whole story, and you need to ask why.
Hence, this is why DW's story about "high bypass turbofan engines don't produce (CT) persistent contrails" doesn't fly!
I guess you do not fly often enough to see sometimes 2 airplanes on the same height, one is leaving the white, sometimes gray streak at all times, and the other does NOT, at all... To see it ONE TIME would be enough to grasp what is going on.
mejbcart
There is a 1000 ft minimum separation between two planes flying in the same general airspace, and often planes will keep much farther apart than the minimum. That can be enough separation for humidity to be completely different. I have seen plenty of planes do this, and humidity can be patchy as seen anytime you look at clouds. There is often a space between individual clouds, correct? This is a visual example of how humidity can differ from place to place in the sky. In the same way there can be invisible differences from place to place hroizontally and vertically.
you have missing parts in your 2 equations... Given the SPEED, the TEMPERATURE AND PRESSURE of the hot gases leaving the engine and the outside extremely low air pressure there can't be much time for a formation of huge amount of water crystals 'hanging' in the huge volume of low pressure for a long time... Exactly that what any pilot will be able to tell you. Ask the Pilots.. Since the very same combustion principle does apply to all cars actually, just with different engines, in different pressure/speed conditions, why don't we see the contrails behind every car, lingering for hours...?
There is another huge issue with the ILLEGAL materials sprayed at ROOM temperature, from different valve systems, not from exhaust... A combustion of chemicals/polymers/etc. in the engine at hundreds of degrees, would oxydize those materials, the white polymers frequently hanging on all bushes, tress, etc. after heavy sprayings, absolutely do NOT look like gone through heavy combustion...
What is needed is what Dane is saying, a whistleblower protection for all scientists who are NOT ALLOWED TO SPEAK about this topic.
We have an IDENTICAL situation with covid crimes, and ALL the MD's who would never tell their patients, that they got genetically modified after the covid jabs! For the sake of false peace, with everyone doing anything, the top criminals have the LAST portion of the final weapon in their hands, this time for everyone a MUST: SELF-emplifying mod mRNA...
mejbcart, your argument is "there can't be enough time" for crystals to form.
However, in jet engine exhaust contrails there is a gap between engines and the visible contrail which is indicative of invisible water vapor(yes, water vapor is invisible), and the condensation and crystallization of the visible trail.
There are numerous pilots of ordinary commercial planes who show this up close from their own planes flying. There are millions of "chemtrails" videos and still photos showing this gap. That represents "enough time" for the water exhaust crystals to form. Here you go, here are many examples of contrails forming up close from High Bypass Turbofan engines which prominent "chemtrails" promoters are telling you cannot happen, yet they do.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epa6WxEw1Xk&list=PLz0NaAADM35j4-IRGtdDY4jCliHS1bOF9
So far as whistleblowers, here in USA there are already whistleblower protections, and they come out frequently. I don't understand why you think there isn't protection, when clearly it is there. If you think you have such a person, bring them on. Here is info on that from Congress:
https://whistleblower.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/whistleblower-evo.house.gov/files/Whistleblower_Protection_Act_Fact_Sheet.pdf
thank you for the response to one of my questions. Yes, there is this gap, clearly visible on many planes flying in the favorable conditions of forming those, but I was speaking about: "can't be much time for a formation of HUGE amount of water crystals"...
Thank you for the link to the whistleblower protection page, BUT there you can read exactly that, what Dane was talking about, NOAA scientists are EXCLUDED from that protection, quote:
Some executive branch employees are excluded from
the WPA’s protections, including (but not limited to):
■ Political appointees (e.g., federal inspectors
general)
■ Uniformed military service members
■ Noncareer Senior Executive Service employees
■ Employees of the 18 intelligence community
“elements” and the FBI
■ Members of the U.S. Public Health Service
Commissioned Corps
■ Officers of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric
Association (NOAA) Commissioned Corps
That link is actually pointing to something very interesting:
■ Employees of the U.S. Postal Service
?????
WHy on earth a simple postal worker can't describe the way he/she distributes people's letters??? Oh, maybe because they have to dump certain mails with votes, for example????
Well, that 'protection list' is quite a nice proof of location of fraud!
Jeanine, Jeff is a meteorologist. He has taught us to read the skies for well over a year so we would be able to differentiate between persistent contrails produced by commercial aviation vs possible clandesite programs. It's a fabulous tool to better learn what is really going on over our heads. We have been teaching hundreds of people this. Feel free to join us the 2nd Tuesday or 4th Wednesday of the month, 6pm Pacific, and you'll learn this plus much more. Just scroll down the landing page the day of the webinare and you will see the new link on the right side of the page: SaveOurSkies.org
At least you are very nice to the uneducated Reinette I admire your patience.
Thanks. Been doing this in many forms for decades.
It’s sad to see that you have been coopted by the so called experts! Limited hang out is correct.
Jeannine I hope you can find some time to watch or at least listen to the webinar. People like Jim and Reinette used to think what you are saying here, but have since learned a lot and have changed their tune. Jay's presentation about the history of the chemtrail story is also enlightening. Learning new stuff really is more fun than fighting to stay in the dark. Join us!!
So true. Just two years ago, I was exactly where you are now, Jeannine and Tami. However, once I started working on a legal case and preparing it for court, all the beliefs I once held as truths completely unraveled. That’s how I arrived at the understanding we share today. What you currently believe would never hold up in a court of law.
Good girl :)
Do you know what a Skew T is? A radiosonde? Have you had one single hour of weather training? I did weather for a job for 8 years. You don't need weather training that takes more than an hour or 2 at most to assess whether a contrail belongs there or not.
Don't expend your energy here Jeff...
You are sort of contradicting yourself there.
All contrails are chemtrails causing water vapour to condense.
Eddy, see my explanation above of where the water comes from to make a contrail. Confirm with any chemist but it is actually very simple.
I understand that the H2O from the fuel contributes to the rh required for contrails to form. Not enough from the fuel alone to make them persistent.
The really persistent ones likely have way more humidity in the ambient air which is called supersaturation, where relative humidity is over 100%. That is the condition where the contrail ice crystals will grow. If the humidity is less, the contrail ice crystals will go back to invisible vapor and the contrail will disappear, that is called sublimation. It can be a give-and take situation.
This is literally laughable...
You and Jim both believe that Lahaina and Helene were "natural." I'm not sure I'm interested in hearing your take on weather, anymore.
all this here reminds me of countless 9/11 truthers, with none of them being right, but one, in case of 9/11, Prof. Judy Wood.... Meaning these countless 'truthers' with part truths are basically there to distract, steal time and attention and delaying others from getting own conclusions.
In regard to Lahaina fires I combined many different reports, facts, interviews, all at https://mejbcart.substack.com/p/honor-the-indigenous-people-of-hawaii
Not correct Kat. The conditions were natural, and forecasted. The human part is fishy as heck....the fire crews, the water. They™ could have easily piggybacked their plan to use the dry conditions and desire for a brand new 15 minute city with a couple of strategically placed fires set by anyone. Once set and going without fire crews and water....no stopping it.
You never did avail yourself of my standing offer to teach you weather. That was an open offer and you never once availed your self of it. Slink away.
I see you. :-) We all see you.
Send anyone you can. I'll teach them how weather works. Anyone that is interested can ask anything and I'll take the time to spell it out. That's anything about cloud seeding, SAI, or c-trails. Well, it may have to include the fundamentals to get there. But I'm willing to teach anyone that is interested, whatever it takes. You had that offer for a time.
thomas james taylor - I agree with you. Jim Lee is sent to muddy the waters (skies). Here's a paper from 1989. Experimental design of the 1984 ASCOT field study*
June 1989Journal of Applied Meteorology 28(6):405-413
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During September and October of 1984 the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Studies in Complex Terrain program conducted an intensive field study in the Brush Creek Valley of western Colorado. The overall objective of the study was to enhance the understanding of pollutant transport and diffusion associated with valley flows. Data collections were designed to investigate nocturnal and morning transition wind, turbulence, and temperature fields in the valley, in its tributaries, and on its side-slopes, and how these are affected by the free stream conditions above the valley. The release and sampling of atmospheric tracers were used to study transport and diffusion. The experimental design of this study is presented.
Hmmm, I don't think you understand. Jim and others are not saying these things aren't happening. We simply can't ignore the detrimental effects of an ever increasing commercial aviation industry.
Hmmm... I don't understand how relatively low air traffic flow over rural New Mexico results in previously unseen contrails that persist for hours. They must plan the flights to coincide with clear days so that the contrails will be flown in erratic patterns to obscure the sun. I have looked at Flight27 and other sources to see many of the planes are "na" which means either military or "cloud seeders". You need clouds in order to seed them and New Mexico naturally can go for months without clouds. So, by golly, they take a blue sky, start flying relentlessly and pretty soon there are clouds. Even before I got caught up in geoengineering, I questioned how much pollution was caused by jets. It's amazing how many more "contrails" there are in my area since 2021. Are there data for an exponential increase in flights since 2021? Science.
Expect the 'chem' pilots again tomorrow by noon in your state. The cloud band is moving in from the west. They always go hand in hand (Nothing is always.) Ventusky, 'high clouds' parameter selected. It will tell you when cirrus clouds are coming. No persistent contrails if no persistent high clouds. That is the way it works.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=37.9;-102.7;4&l=clouds-high&t=20250408/1800
Oops, sorry. they didn't show. Today is quite hot. Not sure if they cancelled all the commercial flights yesterday and today or not.
C-trails are 30,000' to 40,000' at -35 deg C and colder. Surface temperature has nothing to do with them.
I briefly looked at satellite yesterday and saw the cirrus clouds coming into the northern part of the state. No idea where you are. Ya, they probably cancelled all of them.
What you're saying is it's all natural and slightly perturbed by the commercial jet flights?
Look at flightradar24. The places where the moisture comes from the equator have few if any flights. The source of the water is the oceans. It may look like a lot of flights going on the jet routes, but those aircraft are way way way oversized relative to the pin pricks they really are.
https://www.flightradar24.com/-3.17,170.35/3
On the major jet lanes, I could in 5 minutes find a place where the sky got obliterated by contrails (chemtrails from exhaust products).
flight 27 please share the link...
you are saying yourself, these are manmade clouds where they coming from? I'm confused here...
yes there are many methods to geoengineering, not just planes, but, volume of traffic in the highways in the sky aka sky ways do tend to emit an awful lot of emissions and puke out toxins...
you sound defensive of planes being blamed, this wasn't a problem pre-1997, well volume of flights was way lower then, but also the fuel quality was MUCH better so it's a DOABLE task, not sure what your beef is exactly? Do you work in the airline industry and are worried for your job?
Hello suannee. Sorry to see you getting beat up here. There are a lot of conflicted persons making comment... That said:
I had a friend who lived in New Mexico years ago, and had noticed the sky getting more and more covered in unnatural "clouds". She was the first person to introduce me to the term "Chemtrail". We're talkin' 2002-2003. My research since then confirmed that military operations over New Mexico have been taking place since the early 1990's, (possibly before) and have only escalated. Thank you for commenting.
Thanks. It's not nice to beat up on an 83 year old woman. Yeah, amazingly the commercial jets didn't fly today.
You both are con artists serving the functing of confusing people to the reality of intentional geoengineering.
You know that Jim always says after every presentation, 'if you can prove me wrong I want to be the first to know' so be honorable, go to Jim with your proofs or research so that he can and you both can gain a better outcome to the findings.
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suannee I'm not sure how your 1989 paper shows that Jim Lee was sent anywhere to do anything.... Very confusing argument you are putting forward there.
I put that paper in so Jeff M could read it. It has nothing to do with Jim Lee. It has to do with the fact that the Atmospheric Scientists were studying pollutant transport and injecting atmospheric tracers in 1984. A lot of work has been done in that area for decades. To put the onus on commercial jets is short-sighted. I don't say that jet fuel has not been contaminated to spew toxins. I don't know. But I am pretty sure that there are a lot more sources than commercial jets. A LOT MORE.
It gets confusing when responses are not directly under the comments.
Ship track and military, but when you calculate 43 million flights per year... that's on big sh!tload of toxic exhaust.
Commercial passenger jets are only approx 60% of air traffic.
Why not just post the link.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/apme/28/6/1520-0450_1989_028_0405_edotaf_2_0_co_2.xml
Susanee, I looked up that study and found the used Sulfur Hexaflouride SF6 gas a s the tracer. They chose that because it is easily detected and at low concentration in the atmosphere. They were studying how smokestack pollution drifts in the wind. You can read more about it here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sulfur_hexafluoride
I only cited it as an example of atmospheric studies going on in 1984. It was a sort of low-level prelude type study. But, I don't feel like defending any positions anymore.
Very limited.
Dane is very debunkable and well he definitely does his part to ramp up the AT MOST FEAR agenda... so go for it, we all have our need to align with Fear or Love... it's a choice what we feed.
Exactly. I was a big fan of his until I had to confirm everything he was saying. It fell apart and blew in the wind. It was then I had to start all over and that's when everything changed.
Nobody, including DW, can prove in court the claims he has been falsely perpetuating for years.
See my comment to Lauren, please.
where is that?
Where do cirrus clouds come from? Jets assist in creating them.
So this may sound technical, but it isn't. But hardly anyone was trained in weather in school, so I'll try to keep it understandable. There's a video at the end for those that like videos.
A very small percentage of cirrus comes from c-trails. On major jet routes whether you see a c-trail or not the jets are all injecting moisture into the air. Water vapor is a byproduct of burning kerosene.
But where do the majority of clouds come from? You need to look over the oceans to find out where cirrus clouds come from. Start at the equator. The ocean is the major water source.
The birth of a low pressure center......and strengthening, follows this script.
In the Pacific in the winter, cold air drops down from China towards Korea and Japan. That air mass is dry cold polar continental air. The fronts in the northern hemisphere are getting weaker because the cold air isn't so cold anymore, and it is the difference in temperatures that drives the strength of weather systems. The weak cold front reaches the Sea of Japan where the water temperature is in the 40s. It continues eastward and reaches the warmer water of the northward moving Kuroshio Current. That is the first moisture injection due to cold air touching warmer water near 60 deg F today. Conduction is the transfer mechanism. The low pressure center deepens (strengthens), increasing the circulation of winds, which then begin to pull more air from the south northward in front of the low pressure center. You can watch the sequence on Ventusky, an app that displays what weather models show us in the depiction of past, current, and future weather. On the 6th of April the low is in the Sea of Japan. Change the date to the 6th to see it. And the frontal bands are ahead of it to the east and extending south. https://www.ventusky.com/?p=44.7;138.7;4&l=rain-3h&t=20250406/1800
And then as that low pressure center and associated cold front moves east with the jet stream. It will frequently pick up moisture from extrusions of moisture from the equator northward. That shows here in the satellite image. The same thing happens in the Atlantic. Just a week ago there was another injection point of warm equatorial moisture west of Hawaii. You can change the dates by clicking the 'archive' checkbox to change dates.
This shows a view using the Himawari-9 satellite called 'Blended TPW' Total Precipitable Water. The legend below the pic shows the amounts in millimeters and inches. (1 "=25.4 mm). You'll see the red colored very moist equatorial air being pulled up into the low pressure center. To make a long story short, that moisture gets pushed upwards by the lifting action of cold fronts, warm fronts, and convergence at the low pressure center. Any aircraft flying through that moist area adds to the moisture. So if the air was too dry/warm for a c-trail, it may now have enough moisture. The temperature-dew point spread (dewpoint depression) narrows to less than 5 degrees C. A linear cloud forms when that happens. A CONTRAIL It depends where the aircraft is relative to a cirrus cloud, IF there is a cirrus cloud.
https://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/?sat=himawari&sec=full_disk&x=11672&y=2230.93359375&z=1&angle=0&im=12&ts=1&st=20250406120000&et=20250407190000&speed=250&motion=loop&maps%5Bborders%5D=white&maps%5Bcities%5D=white&p%5B0%5D=cira_blended_tpw&opacity%5B0%5D=1&pause=0&slider=-1&hide_controls=0&mouse_draw=0&follow_feature=0&follow_hide=0&s=rammb-slider&draw_color=FFD700&draw_width=6
Change the satellite to GOES West and you can see what happens in the eastern Pacific. Change the satellite to any of the other choices to see Europe or the Persian Gulf region. Both hemispheres are visible. Zoom and move with cursor to see the world as it is now and a while into the past.
Most clouds are formed over the oceans. And every jet penetration into or near that cloud may result in a contrail. Depends on the atmospheric conditions. You need, for a reliable persistent contrail...and you need either radiosonde data or the Windy Contrail Finder plugin to assess whether that contrail should be there.
1. -45 deg C
2. 60%+ RH (water)
3. Dewpoint depression <4. The closer to zero the more persistent.
I do agree with Reinette that nobody is undermining anyone who is taking action to end either aerosol spraying, herbicide/adulticide spraying you name it. I am all for it. I am not convinced much about legal action or legislation b/c the system is so corrupt. I am not dissing anyone but I don't believe in it.
Cloud seeding is NOT chemtrails. It is weather modification. These videos that went viral are misleading and incorrect. As well as they made it impossible for the anti-geoengineering activists to track them. If anyone here still thinks that actions like this are helpful well then not sure where your head is.
Ignoring weather, atmospheric conditions and nature in the context of geoengineering however is simply ignorant. Weather didn't stop from happening just b/c the jets burn dirty fuel and contribute to more cirrus cloud formation.
The jet fuel has significantly changed in the late 1990 but since then do not expect a quick or instant change b/c everything in aviation takes a significant amount of time and money to get tested and approved. Harassing the pilots for flying won't do the trick either. Go to the source and attack the geoengineers and their projects or the airline industry if you have the funds to do that.
Also, Jim Lee is THE most educated or informed if you will activist in geoengineering. His work makes sense, he's got a solution unlike certain individuals as well as he teaches others. I am not shy to say that I fully support him and the team around him which I am proud to be part of. Oh and btw he DOES NOT work for either the CIA or the UN. This is just ridiculous and simply unsubstantiated.
Here in Canada we are fortunate enough that the overhead aviation is far less dens that in the States. But still enough to take action. Geoengineering is a worldwide concern and we can only win with an international strong team. That's my 2 cents.
I whole heartedly disagree. He's a misdirection agent who has worked very hard to undermine anyone making an impact in awareness regarding all forms of weather modification/manipulation/warfare. I'm guessing this is Bettina, one of Jim's devoted sidekicks? :) Wow. You're all working overtime to gaslight.
And I never mislead anyone about my pilot confrontation. My research and my actions have always been very clear on my Bitchute and Substack. I hope to encourage more people to observe and document and take action where they can.
“I know that secret government programs have existed—and probably do today,” Lee said....
Probably??? this fits quite well into the group thinking of all those who deny genetic manipulations of the entire humanity. welcome controlled opposition, the other side of the criminal coin. Anyone who believes this here, PLEASE go near an airport, with lets say ~500 flights a day and OBSERVE. If you believe its all commercial pollution than something is wrong with your eyes and brain.
This is more reliable: https://expose-news.com/2025/04/08/chemtrails-are-real-and-the-cia-are-the-key-players/
Hi!
I hope that you can find the time to listen to the webinar, especially Jay Reynolds' part about the history of the chemtrail story. It is fascinating and you might learn something you didn't know.
500 flights a day? See my comment to Lauren, above.
Don't you love these unfounded comments my gosh!
Waste of time!
https://www.flysfo.com/sites/default/files/media/sfo/media/air-traffic/as201901.pdf
Nice click bait. Did they interview ManicKat too?
Nothing like discussing grenades ad nauseum after they've already gone off. And so as you can see by the different body parts we have a hand, partial leg, someone's foot, a finger and oh look. There is even a bunch of shrapnel that we can examine piece by piece to determine the content and chemical make-up. Tomorrow's lesson. How to identify a grenade before it goes off, how to trace the manufacturers of the grenade and why you should take every opportunity to talk non-stop about the grenade. We'll even have a panel of respected experts give you their thoughts on the composition, make-up and impact of grenades. What do you mean try and actually stop the manufacturers of the grenade? Are you crazy? There is no money or fame in that. And besides why would we try and stop them using their own product when it is doing exactly what was intended. Taking out as many people as possible. :-)
Hello Jose Gonzales Ortego. +100 likes! Your comment is the most germane on the page. Love it!
Jose Gonzales Ortego Like. My like button doesn't work.
Love this.
And what happened to the lawsuit Reinette?
Seriously.
like Lauren
Already answered above.
I understand your comment. I will tell you more about our experience. On a Greek Island, in May of last year, my husband and I saw for the first time trails which were obviously spread by planes (we counted 3 flying high back and fore across the sky), from about 1 PM to the evening. In the morning, the sky had been clear and deep blue. The trails appeared suddenly, without interruption to the evening, and dispersed. They peeled off at first, then they formed parallel lines across the sky. At about 4 PM the sky was white and the temperature dropped suddenly in an unusual way as the light was not the same anymore.
We go twice a year to Greece and know the islands very well. We have never experienced such a phenomenon.
The following days, we had a kind of mist/ haze over the island which was taking away the colors of the village and put the mountains in a very different perspective as the days before. The sun set behind a strange haze. This stayed like that for days, the sky was never the same blue anymore.
The media reported that "african dust" was responsible. A media online wrote that there was an episode of "african dust". An amazing map of the spread of the "african dust" showed it being carried from Wet and Central Africa all the way to Central Asia and almost to China).
In Crete, fragile people (old aged, sick and children) were advised to stay home or wear FFP2, N95 & KN95 masks because of the "dust from the Sahara". People should stay home and mesures should be taken to improve the quality of the air (?!).
I don't denie any of the pollution due to the commercial flights. This was certainly not a commercial flight. The way the trails were left does not at all correspond. They went with a kind of patten. Also, on Greek islands, we never ever saw the sky whitning in such a manner, and the sun appearing in a strange haze behind us. The island is not under main air routes. We took pictures, but only with our mobile phone.
Has anyone thought to wonder why, all of a sudden, all commercial aircraft has changed the type of engines they use FOR THE WORSE??? That sounds very un-American to me. For a country that has historically strived for innovation, our aero-space industry suddenly starts spitting our aircraft that have contrails all the time instead of only at certain altitudes and under certain atmospheric conditions? When one considers how many trillions of dollars have been spent already on the "Space Fence", including stolen dollars, ie; our fiber optic fund among other missing trillions, it doesn't seem such a stretch to imagine you're all being fed lies and falling for them because you can see some tangible evidence. Remember, the ones doing this are masters of propaganda. I think we're being played by our own Deep State in their seemingly insatiable quest for dominance. Take the time to read Elena Freeland. This author has given up much of her life to explain what was coming and what is now happening in real time. It's not conspiracy theory, it's hard science and courageous whistleblowing and though her books are not easy reads they do offer the well cited truth. While it's true that planes do have new engine types and they are contributing to much pollution that is not the story of what is really happening. That is a cover story to send you off track, something the Deep State excels at.
NOT 'All of a Sudden" all military was changed for a one fuel system - as quoted by Jim Lee in his presentation, this one fuel system was used for an 'all equipment - one fuel' military purpose to make it 'easier to manage equip in war zones'.
How it was transferred to all air traffic (since 1997) is a good question indeed!
Contrails form when it's cold enough - just like your breath in cold weather.
Chemtrails are contrails that aren't flying at a cold enough altitude; either way, they both create plane farts full of toxic chemicals unhealthy to all below.
AND
I agree with you - keeping people looking up and keeping the AT MOST FEAR vibe will be part of their AGENDA, meanwhile the CARBON SEQUESTRATION UNDERGROUND is a TRUELY DEADLY - death by suffocation network.
check out my stack on it:
https://cheriseagirl.substack.com/p/geoengineering-underground
AND
Yes there has been a time in history where this oligarchical reign has caused starvation, death and much drive to keep the slave system alive. Think of the 'Great Depression' 1920's crash that led to a decade of starvation and pre-war machinations...
Times were equally as bad as this is the same crowd with another attempt to doing the same thing as today.
History repeats itself.
Please do not underestimate the efforts of ENMOD Ending Climate Modification and Creating Accountability efforts - like many interviewers state, "this was a scratch of the knowledge and expertise that Jim Lee has," so I encourage you to open your door to let some of his information in.
Glad you have someone you admire to find a path that works for you.
100%
Jim's presentation is worth every second of the airtime he had and represents only a fraction of his work on the ClimateViewer website.
Climate change is a catch all phrase and many people seem to forget that Climate change is a natural phenomenon. It is a natural cyclical process quite different from the man made environmental crisis we now face. The pollutants being discharged into our atmosphere, primarily via aviation, shipping and industry are a significant problem that compounds the environmental damage already created by industrial farming.
Although not the first to raise the alarm, Victor Schauberger warned us in 1933 that our planet is in serious trouble. “Correcting our misuse of the environment is imperative” he warned, and gave detailed reasons for the degradation of our environment at that time:
• Deforestation, to create large open fields, removes vital shade from the soil;
• Large open fields devoid of shade raises the temperature of the soil, causing the water-table to drop;
• Top spraying crops with water to compensate washes away vital nutrients, making it necessary to apply fertiliser. Fertilisers made by the aggro-chemical industry, whose short-term interests it serves;
• Deep ploughing disturbs the micro-biome of the soil, causing it to lose its structure. The US dust-bowl is a prime example of what ultimately happens when large tracts of land are stripped of their natural form, to enable commercial exploitation;
• The indiscriminate spraying of crops with pesticides kills pollinators and contaminates the food we eat. “Pests” primarily attack plants that are stressed or sick. We need to ask ourselves why they are sick and stressed?
Modern farming methods combined with pollutants from aircraft, shipping and industry have created the so called “climate emergency” we are experiencing.
To be clear CO2 (a molecule composed of one atom of carbon and two atoms of oxygen) is not a pollutant in our atmosphere, it is an essential building block of all life on this planet and should not to be confused with carbon in its elemental forms that have distinct physical properties, such as soot from fossil fuel combustion. CO2 is at an historic low, at around 450 ppm, at 180 ppm vegetation on Earth will be unable to grow. It is sheer lunacy to be trying to physically remove CO2 from the atmosphere, and still worse, cooling our oceans via Solar Radiation Management and marine cloud brightening that reduces the oceans ability to off-gas CO2.
The Earth is currently in an inter-glacial period known as the Pleistocene ice age, consisting of an alternating series of glacial and inter-glacial periods that began 2.58 million years ago, and is still ongoing. Basically, if there is ice at the poles, we are still in an ice age. In fact we are now in one of the coldest periods in Earths history. The small uptick in temperatures used in the now infamous hockey stick graph represents only a small peak on a persistent down trend in temperatures, the rate of which will increase with solar dimming.
Not only did Victor Schauberger predict the environmental crisis we now face, he also predicted the response of those in authority that are responsible:
“Unfortunately catastrophes or scandalous disclosures always have to happen before humanity realises that it is only its own mistakes that have led it into misfortune. These are all the more difficult to rectify, because in the main they have been made by the authorities, who will not commit suicide themselves, but in order to save their own skins, they would rather that all life should perish before they acknowledge their errors.”
So you may ask, how do we lawfully and honourably get to the truth in order to avoid Schauberger’s prediction?
Common Law is the highest form of law known to man, despite few people being familiar with it. Within Common Law there is a Liens process, used to obtain resolution through agreement.
this process is used to establish the validity of claims made by the Respondent.
The Claimant/s put forward a Plain Statements of Facts, and allows the Respondent/s a fixed time to respond to each Notice, plus a number of opportunities throughout the process to rebut the statements with evidence, under oath, to the contrary.
(The Respondent/s are always the Leaders of the Company or Organisation, not the Company or Organisation itself).
On behalf of the Nations that form the Universal Community Trust, I have applied this process to some of the key protagonists of the climate change narrative, namely The leaders of The UN, IPCC, WMO and IMO. They have failed to provide proof in the form of material, factual evidence under binding oath, that rebuts the statements of fact offered. Therefore, they have agreed in Law that the statements made are true.
For details of this Lien can be found here:
https://www.thebernician.net/?s=Climate+crap
I do follow most reports on blocking out our sunlight and I'm sorry but I don't agree with this particular one stating that '40 million flights a year are creating clouds that block sunlight' and to concentrate on this one. Now isn't this what the WEF want? oh I'll answer my own question shall I..YES they are trying their best to put a full stop to us flying and to agree with the statement above would in fact be helping these parasites towards their agenda. sorry not for me folks.
not to stop flights but to demand they use fuels that don't DO THIS and to prevent accidental engineering.
Yes and reduce air traffic, improve other means of transportation.
Oh I see, but I do still think that this approach is working alongside what the WEF want also. but thank you I do understand this a little more now
The WEF is far from wanting to advance our abilities to travel more for certain.
I suspect Carney was appeasing Canadians with proposing a first high speed rail (between Toronto, Ottawa and Quebec City) to mitigate a bubble of angst developing into an all out revolution from the masses. He is a scary dude at the helm right now.
I do get your thinking, but who truly knows often They™ play BOTH sides - do you see that?
Yes indeed I do, they are coming at us from all sides now, lot's of distractions and I'm sure you are aware of most of them. At this very moment the main distraction is to steer you away from their meetings taking place as I try to type concerning the IHR Amendments, IF these go through we may as well forget about the skies because we are all finished. Oh and as from yesterday the UK is now blocked from any posts on Bitchute! Yep Freedom Of Speech now diminishing rapidly, so if you know of anyone who tries to share info on this particular platform then forget the UK. I simply cannot believe that all of this is happening at my ripe old age, I thought that I would be sitting back and relaxing yet I find myself fighting for my life and freedom every single moment. Anyway, all I can say is BRING IT ON !
We need you and thanks for participating in the race for humanity and for our children’s children.
So, you're not for clear and healthy skies? Because that is what we are all pursuing. We're not into ambulance chasing false narratives.
Yes indeed I am all for clear skies, I think you may have misunderstood me, I follow you avidly and thank god we have someone on our side who is actually fighting to end all of this, the fact is that we are all aware now that they are poisoning us and continue to do so. If the commercial flights are less they will still send out their aircraft to spray us to death without consequences. the WEF are trying their upmost to reduce flights and stop us going on holiday etc so I think that this approach will be helping. I would like to think that I can express my difference of opinion without worrying, I mean no malice to anyone I just disagree with this particular approach.
so grateful for all the clarification and patient explanations - and being introduced to more of the actual language of these technologies!
Hello Sayer,
It astounds me that such a source and individual as yourself that has published so much valuable information, can insult your own integrity by allowing Jim Lee a platform, with his bogus conclusions. Not to mention his atrrocious attempts to discredit Mr. Wigington, and his website www.geoengineeringwatch.org.
If you haven't already, spare the time to watch 'The Dimming' and then ask yourself how is it that so many with valuable credentials have decided to side with Dane Wigington, contributng immense resources to conclusively prove that global climate engineering operations with the dispersion of untold amounts of toxic particulate matter are subject to discrediting by someone like Mr. Lee that has done nothing but smear and sabotage the tireless works of those who only stand by verifiable truths. Here we are trying to build bridges and bring the issue of climate engineering to light, and our cause hurt by such publications and it's patently false conclusions. Which side are you on Mr. Ji?
DW is Soooooo debunkable - wait and see, hope you come around... follow the REALITY!
Where is DW's lawsuit? Oh, it doesn’t exist… even after publishing his 700-page book, Geoengineering: Chronicle of Indictment. I was excited when I read this book and told DW that we were legally going to pursue these perpetrators. That’s when he went on the attack in every possible way, including whisper campaigns similar to what ManicKat is doing. When I finally managed to track down some attorneys who were supposedly "working" on DW’s case, they confirmed that there wasn’t one—zilch.
Google Geoengineeringwatch sues Douglas MacMartin.
DW never asked for any money unlike you.
Where is your lawsuit that you have rattled your tin cup for?
Are you serious? That was Dane's defamation lawsuit against a Facebook fact-checker, which he lost and had to pay the guy's court costs: https://climatecasechart.com/wp-content/uploads/case-documents/2022/20220124_docket-221-cv-02355_motion-to-dismiss.pdf
Regarding our fundraising, unlike Dane's GeoengineeringWatch dot "org," it is not a 501c3, it is not even an LLC, he pockets every penny. Don't believe me? Go look up his non-profit 990 tax form. You will see it doesn't exist because he GW is not a non-profit.
And as far as our fundraising. We have a Fiscal Responsibility page that includes easy-peasy to read pie chart on how that money was spent on our legal team: https://www.saveourskies.org/fiscal-responsibility
Regarding our lawsuit update; we have completely drafted our Petition for Rule Making to send to the EPA, CalEPA, CARB, and FAA, and it is being reviewed by our legal consultant in preparation for our lawsuit. We have to exhaust all avenues before going to court.
I am still looking for any Petition for Rulemaking submission by Dane, or anything he had produced that has been solution-oriented.
Did Dane promise his viewers he would file a lawsuit like yourself? No. Has he ever rattled his tin cup like you and had zero to show for it like you? No.
He has done more than anyone to wake people up to the geoengineering SPRAYING of our skies. You on the other hand regurgitate some of Dane's facts but spew out baseless disinformation jet exhaust bullshit which people are waking up to the fact is again, complete bullshit. Just like you and Jim Lee.
Cloud seeding has NOTHING to do with contrails/chemtrails.....C-trails. It is done at a temperature of -5 to -10 deg C. That is usually between FL100 and FL160 in central CA.
C-trails are at temperatures colder than -35 deg C. That's up above FL300 usually, but rarely it can get down to FL200-FL250 when there is a very cold low pressure center.
SAI is another totally different thing. The purposeful SAI will be above FL600, 60,000' when they get that purpose-built jet. But now, only Bill Gates and Co, the 'elites' the CEOs and political class get the Lear-type buses at FL450. They are doing SAI every moment they cross above the tropopause into the stratosphere.
They are not even closely related.
Here are some seeding aircraft in North America. Seeding season is pretty much over.
Cloud seeding aircraft that I have tracked so far in western North America, if anyone wants to view them doing their dirty work....
1. N6111V Calgary Canada
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n6111v
2. N7344L Fresno California
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n7344l
3. N331Jp Boise Idaho
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n331jp
4. N904DK Modesto California
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n904dk
5. N23MN Cheyenne Wyoming
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n23mn#389052b9
Several of these, if they belong to Weather Modification International, no longer report their location.....transponder off since being approached at 2 am by an activist. That one that was approached was in Modesto, N904DK.
Go here to look up who they belong to.
https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResult
Whether intentional or not, it's a form of cirrus cloud seeding, just a different category to cumulus cloud seeding, not unrelated at all.
"Cloud-cover modification techniques have received little attention from weather modification researchers in the past, compared to the focus given to precipitation enhancement and hail suppression techniques. As a result, significant uncertainties remain regarding both the feasibility and potential applications of cloud-cover modification methods."
"Recently it has been shown that under some circumstances it may be cost-effective to stimulate artificially the formation of cirrus clouds in clear ice-supersaturated air in order to reduce nocturnal cooling in urban areas during the cold season (Detwiler and Cho,1982)”
“Clouds could also be used to moderate temperatures in agricultural areas when extremely hot or cold conditions present problems. Changes in both surface temperatures and evapotranspiration may result if cloud cover is altered.”
“Cloud-cover modification techniques have received little attention in the past from weather modification researchers compared to the attention given to the development of precipitation enhancement and hail suppression techniques.”
“ Changnon (1981) has speculated that aircraft contrails already may be inadvertently moderating temperatures in portions of the mid-western United States. Here, we will be concerned with the production of cirrus clouds in clear, or mostly clear, air by seeding with ice-forming nucleants.”
Effects of Artificial and Natural Cirrus Near the Ground on Temperatures Near the Ground
https://www.academia.edu/126923310/Effects_of_artificial_and_natural_cirrus_clouds_on_temperatures_near_the_ground
Are you for or against making clouds do what they want them to do? I'm not. The 'top' geoengineers seem to think the Earth is warming, even though they now rarely use 'global warming' and instead use 'Climate Change'. The cirrus during the day and none at night is the focus for Mr Billy Joe Jim Bob Gates and his group of godwannabees.
I go with the scientists that say it is the sun that causes all of the climate change, and we are resuming the descent with the start of solar cycle 26 into the Grand Solar Minimum. Cooling till the early 2030s with increasingly erratic temperature swings. And then warming into the 2050s. Not human caused.
As I'm against cloud seeding. Hands off is my thought. Let it be what it is. If you live in Nevada, know it is going to be dry, but stealing the potential water in Sonora CA is off limits. Nevada might have gotten it over their higher terrain. Turlock Irrigation District should not be able to prematurely take it. That's just an example because that's the area I have spent many dozens of hours watching the seeding for TID, at $80,000 a month for 7 hours of flying. I can't share that invoice unfortunately, but that's the cost of the rape they are performing on someone.
The relative effect on planetary surface temperature between a cirrus cloud and a stratus/stratocumulus cloud layer is literally night and day. If there is not a stratus layer the radiant heat from the surface will dissipate through any area below an inversion, if it exists. If there is an inversion there is going to be a cloud layer involved, as it is the reason for the trapped heat. No cloud layer, that heat just spreads in a larger area but the surface still cools very noticably. Water is the best greenhouse gas.
I am of course against making such clouds. Over one day-night cycle aviation induced cirrus is ALWAYS net warming at ALL latitudes. Persistent contrail cirrus most often persists (hence the name) well over this period and is continually replenished. The particulates are constantly emitted whether water vapour is available or not. If not, they hang around until it becomes available and then form cirrus clouds. So, altering flight times will make no difference whatsoever.
I don’t go with those scientists nor the ones that claim it’s all about CO2. Solar cycle 26 hasn’t arrived yet, they thought the same about Solar cycle 24 & 25. So much for that. Temperatures increase despite cycles winding down. Something is overriding that.
I live in the UK where the idea of fuelling cumulus clouds would be a very stupid one as was demonstrated over Lynmouth years ago.
Upper clouds are net-warming and lower clouds are net-cooling, yes. They have been on the increase and decrease respectively since the 80’s. Water evaporates and precipitates, it’s a feedback not a forcing and it generates less warming alone than when it’s locked up into a cirrus cloud.
Lynmouth? Haven't heard of or researched that. Still learning and will always have more to figure out.
You're right about 26. I just jumped the gun big time on that as we just probably got the peak on 25 with 5-6 years to go......but maximum of 25 is behind us. https://www.swpc.noaa.gov/products/solar-cycle-progression
So now we can look forward to higher bombardment by cosmic rays and increasing ionization, so more clouds. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/12/19/new-svensmark-paper-the-missing-link-between-cosmic-rays-clouds-and-climate-on-earth/
I’m familiar with Svensmark and Friis-Christensen’s cosmic ray theory. I am convinced of its mechanism of action in amplifying the effects of the Sun either by reducing or increasing lower cloud cover. I also believe it’s possible to simulate this effect using sustained microwave beams to set off electron cascades in moisture laden air saturated with metallic particles.
However, that doesn’t mean the Sun and cosmic ray theory are responsible for the warming we are experiencing since around 1970. The sun, although absolutely central to climate, cannot be responsible for the unprecedented warming of the last 55 years or so.
This old video explains it well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Sf_UIQYc20
It is interesting that Jon Egill Kristjansson, a prominent proponent of the use of the geoengineering technology known as cirrus cloud thinning, seemed to recognize the divergence between global warming and sunspot cycles whilst accepting that there was such a correlation before the unprecedented global warming from around 1975.
He was one the many scientists to challenge Svensmark’s theory of the role of solar cycles in global warming. He turned it on its head, arguing that rather than disproving anthropogenic global warming, solar cycles helped to prove it from 1975 onwards when temperatures and solar cycles went their separate ways.
“Friis-Christensen now accepts that any correlation between sunspots and global warming that he may have identified in the 1991 study has since broken down. There is, he said, a clear "divergence" between the sunspots and global temperatures after 1986, which shows that the present warming period cannot be explained by solar activity alone.”
“Professor Jon Egill Kristjansson, a leading geoscientist at the University of Oslo, said that the divergence between global warming and solar cycles in the late 20th century "is now undisputed". He also points out that if Svensmark is right, there should have been a decrease in cosmic rays, but in fact over the past 50 years they have, if anything, slightly increased – despite statements to the contrary in the Cern proposal of 2000.”
"Following Svensmark's mechanism, it seems that any cosmic ray explanation of current global warming can be ruled out," Egill Kristjansson said.
Sun sets on sceptics' case against climate change
www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/sun-sets-on-sceptics-case-against-climate-change-18398
Many people believe that the 1952 Lynmouth flood disaster in the UK was caused by cloud seeding experiments carried out by the Royal Air Force.
In the face of denials from the Ministry of Defence, the BBC uncovered evidence of such experiments under the name Project Cumulus dating from 1949 to 1952.
Classified documents from Project Cumulus pertaining to this period have gone missing.
The secrecy around the cloud seeding experiments occurred after the disaster. Before there was a widespread excitement about the possibilities of inducing rain.
The scientists were seeding individual cumulus clouds but with the intention of growing them into superstorms.
Rain-making link to killer floods
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1516880.stm
The Day They Made It Rain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHH3o8Qgwvw
Atlantic ocean. Equatorial moisture streaming northward from the Gulf of Mexico.
Ventusky depiction of the weather...https://www.ventusky.com/?p=24.4;-85.6;3&l=rain-3h
Satellite GOES East with injection of tropical moisture from equator region
https://rammb-slider.cira.colostate.edu/?sat=goes-19&sec=full_disk&x=6640&y=7506.13330078125&z=1&angle=0&im=12&ts=1&st=0&et=0&speed=250&motion=loop&maps%5Bborders%5D=white&maps%5Bcities%5D=white&p%5B0%5D=cira_blended_tpw&opacity%5B0%5D=1&pause=0&slider=-1&hide_controls=0&mouse_draw=0&follow_feature=0&follow_hide=0&s=rammb-slider&draw_color=FFD700&draw_width=6
That is what makes clouds. Moisture and lifting of that moisture, via convection, convergence, frontal lift, and orographic (terrain). Lifting the moisture to levels where aircraft fly sets up the moisture half of the equation. All you need then is the right temperature.
And if it is not quite cloud at the edge of that cirrus, an injection of moisture from an aircraft engine, the bigger the more likely, might just push it over the edge and making cloud.....a linear one.