Let’s just think about any childhood disease that kids now get vaccinated for- I’ve always wondered about this: kids get vaccines and then need more boosters rather than deal with childhood diseases humankind has always had to deal with. What happens to the upgrade of their immune systems every time they catch a childhood disease? It gets enhanced!!!
So why would anyone promote a vaccine rather then get the disease and be NATURALLY ENHANCED. Nature has a wonderfully designed immune system that is built to get diseases and then get upgraded because of it. I once read somewhere it is like
Doing an upgrade on a computer.
When a human gets a disease the human body knows exactly what to do. PRECISLY what to do.
No mistakes. No imperfect reactions to the disease. It’s all done with precision and you then have the best outcome from Naturally dealing with the disease.
With modern medicine, and we could get even better at this if science was really trying to keep us healthy, not many people would be adversely affected( adversely, I’m not talking about being sick-people think they should get vaxxed to avoid being sick!) the rest of humanity just upgrades their immune system. That’s why you and I are here ( especially over 70 yrs old ! ) you become naturally enhanced. Rebooted to a better you for it!
Then we have herd immunity so not everyone gets sick ALL at once.
Our Grandmothers knew from wisdom inherited from generations before.
Get sick, have the freaking measles parties for kids that were not sick at that moment and get everybody immune. Then forget about it!
Some of these diseases help prevent cancers etc later on? That’s what some research is suggesting.
My grandparents all lived to almost or some, in their 90’s.
Hey don’t you think this is part of it at least?!
And then the healthy go on to have healthy babies.
Get the EXPOSURES to these toxins Out Of Our Lives.
Spot on! Homo sapiens as a species has been around for millennia - our bodies have evolved to deal with these pathogens. Otherwise we would have become extinct long ago.
You have a lot of misconceptions about how the immune system functions. I recommend you read about the complications of measles, especially about the immune amnesia it causes and also about the fortunately rare sclerosing pan-encephalitis it can cause.
A study done in Italy during a measles outbreak and published in 2021 found no benefit from Vitamin A supplementation in hospitalized children “in a high-income country.”
As of 1900 about 18% of American children died before their 5th birthday, primarily of infectious diseases. Better sanitation and hygiene helped decrease mortality rates, but it was primarily vaccines which have made childhood so much safer than it was for most of history.
One of our senators recently commented that he and others of his generation had the usual childhood diseases and came out just fine. This is known as survivor bias. Maybe your grandmother lived into ripe old age, but that means nothing. Many of her generation died at an early age. I had an aunt who lived into her nineties, but had dealt all her life with a weak and shriveled arm from her bout with polio as a child.
You talk about your grandparents and how long they lived. You can say they were healthier but it depends on how you define that.
Someone living just two generations ago (roughly 50-70 years back) likely had a different health profile than someone today. They might've been more active due to fewer sedentary jobs and less screen time. They ate fewer ultra-processed foods and were less exposed to environmental pollutants. However they had higher rates of smoking, worse air pollution in cities, and less access to advanced medical care which meant high mortality rates from infections, heart disease, and certain cancers.
Today, we have better medical treatments, vaccines, and knowledge about nutrition and exercise. We also have preventative medicine. However, we face rising rates of obesity, diabetes, and stress-related illnesses due to modern lifestyles. Longevity is definitely tied to genetics, also. To assign blame to vaccines is short sighted. Remember that causation does not equal correlation.
What about those who have the most adverse reactions to measles, i.e. seizures, brain swelling, deafness, blindness, and pneumonia. We vaccinate to protect those that would die or be disabled by the infection. I think the stats are 2-3 children out of every 1,000 have severe reactions to getting the disease. I personally know a young woman who became deaf when she got measles as a toddler.
I got the measles as a direct result of the MMR vaccine that I had to take in order to go to 6th grade in public school in Howard County, Maryland. That was either in 1992 or 1993. It was terrible!
Thanks for the post, as more people really need to know about this. I personally know people who got rubella immediately after getting the MMR vaccine because of the way their immune system works, and there's science out there that proves that this is possible. The fact that people can catch the diseases that live vaccines are supposed to protect against is not a conspiracy theory, and the media really needs to stop baselessly blaming everything on the unvaccinated.
I am taking a pathophysiology course, and my professor wants us to discuss the pros and cons of vaccines. My opinion is kind of in the middle, but the more I learn about vaccines I am unsure of them. My first negative experience came about when I got the measles a few days after receiving my MMR vaccine in 1992/3. I will usually take my DTAP every 10 years, but I refuse the cold (COVID) and flu "vaccines". These days it seems like the pro-vaccine crowds are really pushing hard to inject our kiddos. I am on the fence about it all. Are there some really good resources that I can use to help build a solid argument against vaccines?
That cited article's abstract (article not for free unfortunately), clearly states that the injections contain RNA.., thus is it a CONTINUATION OF gene therapies? Which now seem to be contagious... If the injected vector is this one:
then this one has it all: measles, hemmaglutinin (HxNy) AND covid Spike!!!!!
the most probably this is yet another SAMOA case scenario... Whose 'vaccine' is it? That's always essential to know the INGREDIENTS list of the applied injections..
Btw. when on this entire planet children get sick AT ONCE with 3 different diseases?
I just had a thought as I was reading this article. The shots are akin to measles parties; children get vaccinated and then spread the virus around and all the unvaccinated children get measles. And, a bonus is probably some of the vaccinated also get measles because the shot forced the measles on the child's body. Just thinking out loud.
I believe that I have seen a video of one of these “Organizations” that explains the problems we are now going to have when vaccines are used ( instead of the real immunization, that part was left out but all know very well that that was Nature’s way of immunizing populations for whole protection!) and they create real trouble down the road for individuals( getting them too old!) and populations ( immunity waining ,
Vaccine induced infections of the vary disease, immunity interference, shedding of the disease from vaccinations)
It is something a high school biology class could research and discover by themselves!
Greed, Power, Control is what questions we should be asking ourselves
What is the most likely answer from just these basic points?
I got the mumps from the single dose mumps vaccine in 1971. Doc kept telling my mom it was strep. Funny I have no mumps titers. I got rubella shortly after. Guess what titers I still have protecting me.
Measles is a nutrition-driven infection, highly survivable in well nourished children who are in good growth status. I've just left 25 years pediatric nutrition practice working with families nationwide and globally. I can say assuredly that pediatricians do not apply or understand nutrition nor do they know anymore how to recognize or correct low nutrition. I constantly found anemia, growth impairments, and other nutrition deficits in children whose pediatricians passed them as all good. Iron, vitamin A, protein status, and background infection burden or dysbiosis are all pivotal to how a child will experience a measles infection or a measles shot for that matter.
Growth status meanwhile is the single most predictive and powerful driver of how infections impact children. This evidence base is old, strong and deep and was a big piece of my public health nutrition graduate studies in the late '80s. Pediatricians generally don't analyze growth pattern and don't know how to interpret or recognize shifts that can place children at risk. Even low to moderate malnutrition (such as I found often in practice, in families with plenty of food security) has high impacts here. This knowledge is absent now from pediatrics, and this is the problem - not whether or not to vaccinate IMO. Do it if you want, but it won't be the panacea you think it is.
Have I ever seen live measles infection? Myself, all my sibs and cousins (18 of us in all) were born before measles vaccines were available. We all got measles, and as a younger one, I got herd immunity from it. When I got an MMR jab for work in early 1990s, it immediately triggered health problems and I regret it: IMO it set up life long immune impairments that I still deal with today.
I encountered only one case of live virus measles in all my years in practice. The child lived in Indonesia, and sailed through it. If a child dies of measles, there are underlying complications, and they were likely not assessed or known. I had several cases of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) from MMR shots as well as countless cases of autism following quickly on the heels of MMR shot in previously normally developing children.
This cites a paper re: vaccine shedding that actually proves that vaccines don't spread via shedding. This is fear mongering. The real fear should be rooted in the fact that a previously controlled virus (via an effective vaccine) is now literally killing children. I appreciate the concern but feel that it is misplaced. And the people talking about how their grandmothers lived to be in their 90s...those individuals grew up in a time that was different than this time. There weren't microplastics everywhere. Processed food didn't exist. The rates of chronic disease and obesity were a fraction of what they are now. Please consider causation doesn't mean correlation.
I made sure to cite this source on my discussion board so that others can read this. I believe this to be well written and your resources are easy to find.
I know this article is about live/attenuated viral vaccines. Are there any resources available that may be critical of the vaccines that use toxins like the DTAP or maybe an of the vaccinations for the bacterial diseases?
Vaccines are not perfect,continue research need to be required to make the result to say or write there is no quick fix to say, more RAnd D needed in my views’
Let’s just think about any childhood disease that kids now get vaccinated for- I’ve always wondered about this: kids get vaccines and then need more boosters rather than deal with childhood diseases humankind has always had to deal with. What happens to the upgrade of their immune systems every time they catch a childhood disease? It gets enhanced!!!
So why would anyone promote a vaccine rather then get the disease and be NATURALLY ENHANCED. Nature has a wonderfully designed immune system that is built to get diseases and then get upgraded because of it. I once read somewhere it is like
Doing an upgrade on a computer.
When a human gets a disease the human body knows exactly what to do. PRECISLY what to do.
No mistakes. No imperfect reactions to the disease. It’s all done with precision and you then have the best outcome from Naturally dealing with the disease.
With modern medicine, and we could get even better at this if science was really trying to keep us healthy, not many people would be adversely affected( adversely, I’m not talking about being sick-people think they should get vaxxed to avoid being sick!) the rest of humanity just upgrades their immune system. That’s why you and I are here ( especially over 70 yrs old ! ) you become naturally enhanced. Rebooted to a better you for it!
Then we have herd immunity so not everyone gets sick ALL at once.
Our Grandmothers knew from wisdom inherited from generations before.
Get sick, have the freaking measles parties for kids that were not sick at that moment and get everybody immune. Then forget about it!
Some of these diseases help prevent cancers etc later on? That’s what some research is suggesting.
My grandparents all lived to almost or some, in their 90’s.
Hey don’t you think this is part of it at least?!
And then the healthy go on to have healthy babies.
Get the EXPOSURES to these toxins Out Of Our Lives.
Spot on! Homo sapiens as a species has been around for millennia - our bodies have evolved to deal with these pathogens. Otherwise we would have become extinct long ago.
You have a lot of misconceptions about how the immune system functions. I recommend you read about the complications of measles, especially about the immune amnesia it causes and also about the fortunately rare sclerosing pan-encephalitis it can cause.
Just take a seat. Pharma obviously pays you.
A study done in Italy during a measles outbreak and published in 2021 found no benefit from Vitamin A supplementation in hospitalized children “in a high-income country.”
As of 1900 about 18% of American children died before their 5th birthday, primarily of infectious diseases. Better sanitation and hygiene helped decrease mortality rates, but it was primarily vaccines which have made childhood so much safer than it was for most of history.
One of our senators recently commented that he and others of his generation had the usual childhood diseases and came out just fine. This is known as survivor bias. Maybe your grandmother lived into ripe old age, but that means nothing. Many of her generation died at an early age. I had an aunt who lived into her nineties, but had dealt all her life with a weak and shriveled arm from her bout with polio as a child.
You talk about your grandparents and how long they lived. You can say they were healthier but it depends on how you define that.
Someone living just two generations ago (roughly 50-70 years back) likely had a different health profile than someone today. They might've been more active due to fewer sedentary jobs and less screen time. They ate fewer ultra-processed foods and were less exposed to environmental pollutants. However they had higher rates of smoking, worse air pollution in cities, and less access to advanced medical care which meant high mortality rates from infections, heart disease, and certain cancers.
Today, we have better medical treatments, vaccines, and knowledge about nutrition and exercise. We also have preventative medicine. However, we face rising rates of obesity, diabetes, and stress-related illnesses due to modern lifestyles. Longevity is definitely tied to genetics, also. To assign blame to vaccines is short sighted. Remember that causation does not equal correlation.
What about those who have the most adverse reactions to measles, i.e. seizures, brain swelling, deafness, blindness, and pneumonia. We vaccinate to protect those that would die or be disabled by the infection. I think the stats are 2-3 children out of every 1,000 have severe reactions to getting the disease. I personally know a young woman who became deaf when she got measles as a toddler.
Could it possible that she was deficient in Vitamin A. We know that vitamin A deficiency can lead to severe cases of measles .
I got the measles as a direct result of the MMR vaccine that I had to take in order to go to 6th grade in public school in Howard County, Maryland. That was either in 1992 or 1993. It was terrible!
Well, We Know covid was a pandemic of the Vaxxed...
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6152199/
Perfect! Added it as an addendum to the X thread https://x.com/sayerjigmi/status/1892287344406843566
Thanks for the post, as more people really need to know about this. I personally know people who got rubella immediately after getting the MMR vaccine because of the way their immune system works, and there's science out there that proves that this is possible. The fact that people can catch the diseases that live vaccines are supposed to protect against is not a conspiracy theory, and the media really needs to stop baselessly blaming everything on the unvaccinated.
That's how I got the measles...the MMR vaccine. :-)
I am taking a pathophysiology course, and my professor wants us to discuss the pros and cons of vaccines. My opinion is kind of in the middle, but the more I learn about vaccines I am unsure of them. My first negative experience came about when I got the measles a few days after receiving my MMR vaccine in 1992/3. I will usually take my DTAP every 10 years, but I refuse the cold (COVID) and flu "vaccines". These days it seems like the pro-vaccine crowds are really pushing hard to inject our kiddos. I am on the fence about it all. Are there some really good resources that I can use to help build a solid argument against vaccines?
There are many sources . My 8 month old baby was hospitalize 4 days after getting the MMR vaccine . I am convinced it was due to the vaccine .
"If shedding is occurring, why is there no active surveillance to track vaccine-derived transmission?"
I think Big pHARMa can answer this question , Profits ?
You can read the book “ Turtles all the way down “
That cited article's abstract (article not for free unfortunately), clearly states that the injections contain RNA.., thus is it a CONTINUATION OF gene therapies? Which now seem to be contagious... If the injected vector is this one:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38823291/
then this one has it all: measles, hemmaglutinin (HxNy) AND covid Spike!!!!!
the most probably this is yet another SAMOA case scenario... Whose 'vaccine' is it? That's always essential to know the INGREDIENTS list of the applied injections..
Btw. when on this entire planet children get sick AT ONCE with 3 different diseases?
I just had a thought as I was reading this article. The shots are akin to measles parties; children get vaccinated and then spread the virus around and all the unvaccinated children get measles. And, a bonus is probably some of the vaccinated also get measles because the shot forced the measles on the child's body. Just thinking out loud.
I tell ya, having the measles sure wasn't a party! :-)
I believe that I have seen a video of one of these “Organizations” that explains the problems we are now going to have when vaccines are used ( instead of the real immunization, that part was left out but all know very well that that was Nature’s way of immunizing populations for whole protection!) and they create real trouble down the road for individuals( getting them too old!) and populations ( immunity waining ,
Vaccine induced infections of the vary disease, immunity interference, shedding of the disease from vaccinations)
It is something a high school biology class could research and discover by themselves!
Greed, Power, Control is what questions we should be asking ourselves
What is the most likely answer from just these basic points?
I got the mumps from the single dose mumps vaccine in 1971. Doc kept telling my mom it was strep. Funny I have no mumps titers. I got rubella shortly after. Guess what titers I still have protecting me.
Measles is a nutrition-driven infection, highly survivable in well nourished children who are in good growth status. I've just left 25 years pediatric nutrition practice working with families nationwide and globally. I can say assuredly that pediatricians do not apply or understand nutrition nor do they know anymore how to recognize or correct low nutrition. I constantly found anemia, growth impairments, and other nutrition deficits in children whose pediatricians passed them as all good. Iron, vitamin A, protein status, and background infection burden or dysbiosis are all pivotal to how a child will experience a measles infection or a measles shot for that matter.
Growth status meanwhile is the single most predictive and powerful driver of how infections impact children. This evidence base is old, strong and deep and was a big piece of my public health nutrition graduate studies in the late '80s. Pediatricians generally don't analyze growth pattern and don't know how to interpret or recognize shifts that can place children at risk. Even low to moderate malnutrition (such as I found often in practice, in families with plenty of food security) has high impacts here. This knowledge is absent now from pediatrics, and this is the problem - not whether or not to vaccinate IMO. Do it if you want, but it won't be the panacea you think it is.
Have I ever seen live measles infection? Myself, all my sibs and cousins (18 of us in all) were born before measles vaccines were available. We all got measles, and as a younger one, I got herd immunity from it. When I got an MMR jab for work in early 1990s, it immediately triggered health problems and I regret it: IMO it set up life long immune impairments that I still deal with today.
I encountered only one case of live virus measles in all my years in practice. The child lived in Indonesia, and sailed through it. If a child dies of measles, there are underlying complications, and they were likely not assessed or known. I had several cases of immune thrombocytopenia (ITP) from MMR shots as well as countless cases of autism following quickly on the heels of MMR shot in previously normally developing children.
Meanwhile hope these are helpful >>
Measles infection or outbreaks caused by MMR shots: 1983 - https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm
2014 - https://www.science.org/content/article/measles-outbreak-traced-fully-vaccinated-patient-first-time (calls it the "first time" - it wasn't)
2013 - https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES2013.18.49.20649
PubMed delivers over 360 hits if you google "measles vaccine failure"
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=measles+vaccine+failure
Call To Action - Vitamin A For Management of Measles In The US - https://www.nfid.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Call-to-Action-Vitamin-A-for-the-Management-of-Measles-in-the-US-FINAL.pdf
Your first reference dated 1983 is not about measles caused by vaccination. It’s about an outbreak in a high school among vaccinated teenagers.
This cites a paper re: vaccine shedding that actually proves that vaccines don't spread via shedding. This is fear mongering. The real fear should be rooted in the fact that a previously controlled virus (via an effective vaccine) is now literally killing children. I appreciate the concern but feel that it is misplaced. And the people talking about how their grandmothers lived to be in their 90s...those individuals grew up in a time that was different than this time. There weren't microplastics everywhere. Processed food didn't exist. The rates of chronic disease and obesity were a fraction of what they are now. Please consider causation doesn't mean correlation.
All this is before we go to their mRNA vax status.
Christine Stabell Benn found dtap in africa made recipients much more likely to have other illnesses or die.
mRNA shots as rolled out seem to ruin immune systems?
I made sure to cite this source on my discussion board so that others can read this. I believe this to be well written and your resources are easy to find.
I know this article is about live/attenuated viral vaccines. Are there any resources available that may be critical of the vaccines that use toxins like the DTAP or maybe an of the vaccinations for the bacterial diseases?
Vaccines are not perfect,continue research need to be required to make the result to say or write there is no quick fix to say, more RAnd D needed in my views’
I agree but the good news is, we're still here offering opinions about it!